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Ian 'Magic' Hughes
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Monday, 23 April 2012 02:30
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By Ian Magic Hughes
I wonder how many of us in Antigua & Barbuda thought that Chinese First Secretary and Deputy Head of Mission at the Embassy Madam Zhaofeng Wang’s statement on the lone wolf protesters was out of order.
Speaking to Observer Radio, Wang said: "We do not think the protest is in any connection with the power plant at all. It is just anti-China … and it is really outside of the political (situation) of Antigua & Barbuda … They are interfering in the internal affairs of China. We strongly oppose that.”
She went on to state:
“We know this is only a small number of people protesting outside the embassy, and some of them are taking the position, seemingly, they are protecting the rights in connection with the Wadadli Power plant.
“But what they are asking for is not really in the interest of Antigua & Barbuda, because they are shouting anti-China words, because they are opposing the relationship between China and Antigua & Barbuda. We do not believe this is the position of the majority of Antiguans & Barbudans."
I called on Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer to denounce the official’s statement, but never really expect the PM to do such a thing because of the relationship between these two nations.
Remember in the past Spencer called protesters unpatriotic, suggesting that anyone who questioned the China/Antigua & Barbuda relationship did not love this country.
The prime minister is clearly out of touch with the reality of the concerns by many people in this country who question China’s influence, not just in this country, but the Caribbean and the rest of the world.
For those of us who remember the Tiananmen Square executions any relationship with any nation that embraces the suppression of its own citizens is of grave concerns.
The relationship between China and Antigua & Barbuda is a 30-year deal which has been embraced by the two main political parties, the Antigua Labour Party (ALP) and the United Progressive Party (ALP).
In researching for this piece, I came upon an article in Forbes by Dr Doug Guthrie, dean, professor of International Business and Professor of Management at the George Washington University School of Business.
Guthrie is an expert in the fields of economic reform in China, leadership and corporate governance, and corporate social responsibility.
In his article, entitled "The United States, China and Human Rights," Guthrie states:
“All of us have read in horror of the recent wave of self-immolations by young people in Tibet as they protest the heavy hand of Chinese rule there.
“These acts of conscience and desperation implore Western leaders to intervene and halt China’s brutal efforts to erase its opposition by systemically eliminating Tibetan culture and language."
Whether it is self-immolations in Tibet or suicides at Foxconn, these events are daily reminders that China, for all its words to the contrary, is still reluctant to take on the mantle of global leadership.
“While it demands a greater role internationally in economic and security deliberations, its current policies often reflect those of a developing nation, more concerned with imposing its top-down worldview than respecting the individual rights of its citizens," Guthrie said. “Most developed nations have blood on their hands; they have histories that are replete with atrocities of one kind or another against their own citizens or those of other states.
“Yet as these nations sought a role on the international stage, they were forced to adopt policies that allowed for dissent and the respect of civil liberties.
“This is where China finds itself today. It must decide whether it will continue to cleave to the narrow policies of a developing nation, too weak and fearful to claim the higher ideals of human rights, or will it evolve to be a global leader that respects civil liberties and disavows the thuggish tactics of a less advanced nation.”
While I respect the government’s rights to associate and forge relationships with nations it deems fit, as a citizen of this fair state, I have rights that should be respected by all foreign entities, no matter its relationship to government.
As a matter of fact, any relationship with all other nations should be based on those nations’ respect of the rule of law that governs Antiguans & Barbudans.
We deserve to be respected by those officials, both local and foreign.
That the ambassador of China believes she has the right to denounce Antiguans & Barbudans right to peacefully protest is extremely troubling.
In addition, that the prime minister also sees fit to label these protesters unpatriotic is even more problematic.
Also, the prime minister appears unwilling or unable to denounce the Chinese ambassador, who believes that she knows what’s better for us than we do, speaks volumes.
Incredibly, Wang, while denouncing the protesters' right to display Tibet and Taiwan flags, sees no problem in becoming embroiled in local affairs.
She is satisfied that all questions were answered on the Chinese Power Plant during the "blood" conference.
So, is Spencer’s relationship with China clouding or influencing his judgment so much that he is willing to take on China’s policies of suppressing his own people?
That’s the real problem.
Since coming into office in 2004, Spencer has been accused of acting like a dictator.
True or false, to adopt any type of China policies as it relates to human rights or rights of Antiguans & Barbudans should never be tolerated in this democracy.
Spencer has a commitment to China, and that should be respected.
That said though, the prime minister’s primary responsibility has to be the rights of Antiguans & Barbudans, as protected by the constitution of Antigua & Barbuda, and not the constitution of China.
Governments may be free to forge relationships with foreign entities, but these alliances should not be entered into to the detriment of its citizens.
That, I conclude, was the wrong thing for Wang to say.
What do you say?
49 Comments In This Article
RE: You Wang Fu Say Dat
Jamaica 66MW for US 127 million
Haiti 30MW for US 57 million
St. Vincent 17.2 MW for US 37 million
St. Lucia 12.5 US 26 million
What say you Magic and others?
Now What
power plant cost
down to earth
please stop the misinformation
http://www.vinlec.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=321&zone=50
http://searchlight.vc/us-millions-lowmans-bay-power-plant-p7760.htm
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20101219/business/business5.html
http://fossilfuel.energy-business-review.com/news/conduit-capital-to-construct-66mw-power-plant-in-jamaica-201210
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/95351_London-based-firm-to-design-new-Barbados-power-plant
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110119/business/business71.html
power plant cost
RE: You Wang Fu Say Dat
SlyThatGuy
@ Wadadlineko
If picketing the Chinese to answer about money we contracted to give them for "new" plants without any bobol in it is being unpatriotic, then Baldwin's Deputy is unpatriotic too!
Why Baldwin don't fire him? Maybe he fraid it will force the Deputy to tell all? In the mean time you need to call who you vote for and demand answers!
Family Guy
read the sign
No more money/loans for any project from people republic of China unless the wadadli power plant deal are made public.
Ambassador Shoul can translate it for her, that way he might get it as well.
annoyed
@wadadlineko
you say.. "The real issue shouldn't be whether the WPP is old or new, but rather whether they paid new generator money for an old one"
Let me enlighten you. In 2008, one year before you voted for the first time, your peeps, together with some APUA officials, ordered a new chinese built 30MW powerplant, which upon completion would have cost 52.5 million US$.
That is 1.75 million US$ per MW.
Industry standard in 2008 for similar plants, including plants from the mother company in Germany, would run about 1million per MW turnkey.
We paid 75% over industry standard!!!!
so lets get back to your statement about old or new and whether we paid new for old...........
At the very best scenario, we paid 75% over new for new chinese substandard quality.
At the worst scenario we paid 75% over new for an old piece of chinese junk.
Every man woman and child in Antigua, including you, pays almost two thousand EC$ for this, so it should be in your interest, that this thing is new and working for the next 30 years..
down to earth
RE: You Wang Fu Say Dat
Perhaps you have forgotten what country you are in? I am "offended by your remarks and you blatant "disrepect" for the people of A&B! How can you say Quote:
I join with those in announcing that Quote:Well, he called his own people "criminals" and "mercenaries" for peacefully demonstrating their "democracy," so I am sure he and his "Godfather" has no problem with "Dat!"
Dig It
RE: You Wang Fu Say Dat
Concern Antiguan
@ Family Guy
Wadadlineko
@ wadadlineko
You may be happy with the cheese in your mouth, but the rest of us have to suck salt!
Family Guy
Petty Politics
The Godfather
@Lady b
We've gotten to the point where everybody's got a right and nobody's got a responsibility.
Your saying it is about the right to protest but has anybody been stopped from protesting? Does that mean that the article does not carry a racist undertone to it? Tell me which part that the Ambassador say that the persons don't have the right to picket. I have heard the Ambassador's comment in its entirety on the News. And no where did she say that person's did not have the right the picket. She thought that the use of Taiwanese Flag and the Tibetan Flags was a little low blow under the belt. So seeing that my ability to comprehend pales in comparison to yours please please enlighten me and the "others" as to where we can find the direct quotes where the Ambassador said that "persons do not have the right to" picket in Antigua. Please tell me how, where and when the good Ambassador has dipped into our internal affairs.
wadadlineko
who are racist?
jeb
re-Godfather
HC
False Analysis
Magic used the article to demonize China, instead of focusing on his argument. The U.S protected all pass dictators and leaders from justice, so they are the human right violators!
The Godfather
Face Hell's Fury!
Likewise, if Wilmouth Daniel, Dr. Cort, Winston Williams are guilty of any political shenanigans all should be doing hard labour at 1735, I am not partial, because if the authorities condemn the little man for hustling, so too, they
should face Hell's fury. Isn't that's what Fair Antigua is all about?
The Godfather
@wadalineko
Lady B
Visual Aid
[youtube]http://youtu.be/mnJHZup4k0g[/youtube]
Vere C. Bird III
Plaese!!
ANTIGUAN WOMAN
@Antigua Woman
The thing is it was the so called older people who have lead us in to this mess in the first place and it is the younger generation with all their ideas, hopes and aspirations that I am looking towards to leading us out of it. So the future still looks bright. Cause believe me if young people where in charge we would have probably asked for a solar power plant instead of an outdated plant that uses fossil fuels.
Oh I leave lady b with this quote
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
wadadlineko
@ladyb
Show this article to any body not living in Antigua who has no affiliation to Antigua and ask them what they think. I can assure you they will think the same thing like I said. Persons must realize that everything placed on Caribarena can be and is seen world wide. Its only a matter of time before somebody sue somebody. You can mark my words on that.
wadadlineko
Veer Bird
InteresteD
Re: InteresteD
annoyed
Cubah
InteresteD
What Do You Have In Common?
The Godfather
@confused Godfatherand wadadlineko
Lady B
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Johnny
Wadalineko
ANTIGUAN WOMAN
@confused
wadadlineko
Magic Boss???
Confused??
RE: You Wang Fu Say Dat
wadadlineko
@ Vere C. Bird III
Maybe that's why I "have a problem" with PM Spencer.
Same problem I had with Vere C. Bird Sr. & Lester Bird.
Getting on in age ... tired having this problem.
People really do get the government they deserve.
Einstein was right about his definition of insanity, too ...
Colin
RE: You Wang Fu Say Dat
ANTIGUAN WOMAN
@ STEVE
The lady is simply doing her job as spokesperson for the Embassy of the PRC.
Why does everything have to be so personal? You do not even know the woman - how can she possibly disgust you? If you are trying to say that you find the embassy statement offensive: do that.
Colin
Correctiion
The Godfather
Reality Check
Also, refer to the over 400,000 leaked war documents that speaks volume of US atrocities in Iraq, and for fair review of all information try Google. There is always media talk about China's corruption, now Google U.S. corruption or American corruption.
Next time too look into the authorities treatment of Occupy Wall Street Protesters, and let me know about democracy brute force against the innocent.
The Godfather
@Goodfather
Schedule 3 Antigua and Barbuda Constitutional Order 1981
Oath (or Affirmation) of Office
1, ,do swear (or solemnly affirm) that I will
honour, uphold and preserve the Constitution of Antigua and
Barbuda and the law, that I will conscientiously , impartially and
to the best of my ability discharge my duties as
and do right to all manner of people without fear or favour, affection
or ill-will.
So help me God.
Vere C. Bird III
Poopooganda
The Godfather
What is this article about
What the heck!
They are interfering in the internal affairs of Antigua
Skyewill
Vital to our Nation
Why not concentrate on being progressive, rather than remain foolish an ignorant. Education is vital to our nation.
The Godfather
Shame, Shame, Shame on China
Section 47 Finance and Administration Act, 2006 states:
“No money shall be raised on the credit of the government except under the authority of an act of parliament or of a resolution of the house.”
Vere C. Bird III
RE: You Wang Fu Say Dat
Cool Ruler
Pity!
He's become delusional...He believe that he's now in a position to prevent any kind of question to be asked of him and his stewardship...T hank god he is not able to have tanks in our little army....
This is all the more reason why we need more than ever term limits for Prime Ministers...
I believe that if CaribArena does a Poll to ask about Term Limits for Prime Ministers, an overwhelming majority would support Term Limits...
Madame Wang should ensure that China's good name is preserved by asking the Government to show have the inquiry into the Power Plant...Otherwi se China will be seen as upholding what many now perceive to be a major rip-off!
Faith
antiguan
dave
RE: You Wang Fu Say Dat
We just inked a deal to build a new secondary school in Five Islands – Dr BS’s constituency. I guarantee the location of the school is not an accident. Election is coming and Dr BS needs something to brag about – even though Five Islands is the most unsuitable location for a secondary school. We also have another loan for some more millions for which we haven’t made up our minds how we will spend it. When translated into the language of politics, these are masked political campaign contributions.
Just like she is offended by the flags and placards used by the Lone Wolf Picketers, Madam Wang needs to know that many of us in A&B do not appreciate China’s interference in A&B’s internal affairs either.
DadliMan
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STEVE
RE: You Wang Fu Say Dat
I challenge Caribarena or any other news outlet or any UPP supporter to show one instance where the PM has put the people of A&B first.
I also challenged the owner of the Observer Group to show the people of A&B all of the information he has in hand on the Wadadli Power Plant fiasco.
Maybe the Lone Wolf group should also picket The Observer News Group?
W. Day
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