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Detention Center is a Backward Step for CSME

Detention Center Dear Editor. It was with utter sadness and disappointment that I read an article entitled “Detention Center Opens in Antigua” on Caribarena.com and the Antigua Observer dated July 10, 2013.

The authorities, including the Hon. Minister Errol Cort and the Chief Immigration Officer Mr. Ivor Walker both expressed appreciation for this vision of a facility, but I would like to say here that my vision is that this will turn around and condemn Antigua & Barbuda.
 



There are only a few Caribbean countries that have an actual Immigration Detention Center including Trinidad & Tobago and now Antigua & Barbuda.
 
The other countries have seen it fit for whatever reason to just detain violators of the immigration policies at their police stations, etc., and to ensure speedy deportations or allow voluntary returns.
 
Antigua and Barbuda is a small nation and the majority of its citizens have chosen to live in other countries like the Virgin Islands, USA, and the UK. Many of these started out illegally, and many still do live illegally in some of these countries. Also, many Antiguan females have chosen to birth their babies in North American countries, especially the USA, to get better benefits for their children.
 
So from a moral standpoint, the pleasure that these officials are getting from the new “prison in disguise” facility (for that is exactly what it is), would not have been welcomed by their own nationals living illegally in other countries.
 
If, on the other hand, the officials are seeking to reach the so-called international development standard index by having a “humane” detention center as they are stating, there are a lot of other areas of development that could be concentrated on instead of looking to imprison innocent persons who have committed no crime.
 
The number of innocent, hard-working persons that will be placed in this facility will be pronounced and just like in every other detention center, we will hear of the rapes, assaults both verbal and physical and the further injustices that will be committed against the foreigners.
 
In fact, speaking about foreigners, it will be the usual suspects that will mainly be housed there – the Guyanese and the Jamaicans, the same set of black Caribbean people who are the ones we see lining up trying to get their time regularized not the Chinese, not the white Europeans or Americans, but the black, indigenous Caribbean people.
 
The same Caribbean that we speak of coming together in the CSME, the same single space area, is further being divided by what I consider as backward measures because they are not progressive to bring this Caribbean as one.
 
It is only left now for the Guyanese to start opening up detention centers for the expected flow of business when the oil boom takes place, and the rest of the Caribbean seeks to flock there to do business and create business opportunities in every shape and form. The same will apply to every Caribbean country as well with whatever fortune that nation is fortunate to get.
 
It seems that we will never learn or able to achieve the things we can as one Caribbean single market space as we seek to divide, isolate and imprison our own people.
 
There is no doubt that every country should seek to curtail its immigration process but the fact is that no country can ever stop the immigration process.

People have always and will always move to areas where they feel that their lot in lives can be better; it is ingrained in Man to do so. Just as the Honorable Minister’s father, a former native of Guyana did when he came to Antigua in search of a better life for his family. What if he was placed in a detention center after trying to work hard to feed his family?
 


My suggestion is that instead of focusing and erecting prisons, we should seek to enforce our border immigration policies and then deal with law breakers through the police force as allowed by law. Detaining innocent persons and locking them away in cells for no crime they have committed is not the way to go, especially for a small nation like Antigua and Barbuda.
 
Detention Centers all across the world are rife with all sorts of abuses, rapes and corruption. Many in Europe and the US have had to make reforms and in some cases close down their facilities because it is not the humane and right thing to do, in the majority of cases, to good innocent people.
 
It will come back to haunt this nation.
 
Antiguan Non National

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RE: Detention Center is a Backward Step for CSME

#29 Witheld » 2012-09-04 22:38

Why an immigration detention center if they're still holding immigrants at the police station with no way for family members abroad to get in contact or info over the phone?!!
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RE: Detention Center is a Backward Step for CSME

#28 A wha dis Father » 2012-07-21 12:42

The officials in the Ministry of labour and National security should lock themselves up in in and trow away the Key. Then maybe intelligent life can enter both Departments.

A note to the budding rocket scientist in both department, if person could inquire over the phone wheter their work permit, extension etc were ready by quoting their pass port and receipt number, perhaps you would have shorter lines and some semblance of efficiency in your operation.

Same goes for Citizenship and Passsport.

Stop trying to fool the public that you are actually working noone is fooled you are thought of with contempt.

We do not all have the money to pay the bubol (bribe) and have our document expedited efficiently.
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RE: Detention Center is a Backward Step for CSME

#27 Informer » 2012-07-13 12:21

Perhaps an Antiguan non national is one born in a foriegn nation, hold a foreign passport but his/her parents are Antigua ns. When my American born child returned to the Antigua he was given a 21 day stay , now it would be interesting indeed if that child wound up in a detention center, since the process of getting his Antiguan passport could take a year. We have some real rocket scientist disguised as immigration officials or some real jack **. Why did I have my child in the US because my first child died at Holberton Hospital but that is another story.
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From OECS to CSME: Strategic Thinking and ROI!! PT5

#26 John French II » 2012-07-11 19:32

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. Quote:
Renovations to the location came at no cost to government as the landlord incurred those costs before renting that portion of the building. Some offices of the Ministry of Labour are also housed in the same structure. “We are fortunate to have been able to take over the location. The actual renovation costs were borne by the landlord so the government had no expense in terms of renovating the building,” Dr. Cort said. “It is a far cry from the St. Johns Police Station.”
Facilities Management 101 & Managerial Finance 101: "If you don't pay for it on the Front End, You will Pay for it on the Back End". This Detention Center Project Development & Implementation suggests that this is a temporary Transaction and not Transformationa l since the Return on Equity & Return on Investment (ROI) are Zero.
Visionary & Strategic Leadership in GoAB demand fact based analyses using credible scientific methodologies. If Bureaucrats see no value in engaging in rigorous analyses, it behoove the Blues to "Pay Attention!" Dr. Isaac Newton's: The Innovative Good.Heaven Help The Nation Of Antigua & Barbuda.
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From OECS to CSME: Strategic Thinking and ROI!! PT4

#25 John French II » 2012-07-11 18:56

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. Tenman, thanks for advising that A&B has been delinquent & derelict in putting the administrative procedures in place. The "Implementation Deficit". No surprise here. GoAB & its Bureaucrats flatter to deceive.
The Good Hon. Dr. PM has touted that the relocation of the Inland Revenue offices from Newgate Street to the Government-owne d building at the Woods Mall will provide additional space for the workers and the public.
The Good Hon. Min of Fin. touted the financial advantages of ownership vs leasing.
Buildings are Capital. Governments lacking Capital or those wishing to lower their debt ratios for bonding purpose go the route of off-book financing. In the North Atlantic they enter into Public Private Partnerships (P3) or as it is said on the Rock - BOOT arrangements. Any Goverment worth its Capacity that enters into long term leasing arrangements with no end in sight deserves to be treated as the Trader Merchant Class does: With Contempt.
Did this project have the Hon. Min. Of Finance approval? Who does the Financial Analysis for the Hon. Sen. Dr Min of Immi. Do you honestly believe an Environmental Scan was done?
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John French - a slight correction

#24 tenman » 2012-07-11 17:32

John French II, my last conversation (a few days ago) with the OECS Secretariat (Regional Integration Unit), revealed that:
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You are correct with regards to the administrative procedures for the regime for free movement for OECS nationals which came into effect from August 2011. Specifically, OECS nationals are able to travel with a valid form of a photo ID that bears the nationality of the holder and be granted an indefinite stay. OECS nationals are also free to work in any OECS Member State without the requirement of a work permit. However, these administrative procedures have not been implemented as yet in Antigua and Barbuda and Saint Lucia. They are currently working towards having those procedures in place as soon as possible.
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From OECS to CSME: Strategic Thinking and ROI!! PT3

#23 John French II » 2012-07-11 17:01

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. OECS Nationals have freedom of movement to seek work. So that leaves Barbados, Belize, Guyana, Jamaica, Surinam & Trinidad & Tobago. Given A&B's Economic Fortunes & Woes, what i**ing & Future for immigration from any of the above? The existing and future environment suggest a reverse in immigration patterns. Where else in the Caribbean would immigrants arrive from? Dominican Republic and Haiti. Immigrants seeking economic opportunities are not fools. They go where opportunities abound. They walk with their feet and already the reverse exodus back to the DR is in progress. The 2011 Census was an eye opener to those who pay close attention to population trends.
The other immigrants are Arabs, North Atlantics & Orientals. Orienals will never be touched in A&B. Follow how Nigeria has been managing this. North Atlantics will never suffer detention - maybe the first flight out. Arabs - the Nation would be held hostage by their Trader and Merchant kith & kin. Suggest you look critically at the recent gift from the UK given the London Olympics. Definitely the Curious Case of foster + freeman eye. Only in Antigua & Barbuda?
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From OECS to CSME: Strategic Thinking and ROI!! PT2

#22 John French II » 2012-07-11 16:30

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. Here is the Good Hon. Sen. Dr. Min.of Immi. Quote:
There is a strong need for bilateral discussions between Antigua & Barbuda and other CARICOM nations whose nationals make up a high percentage of the local population. ... to facilitate the adoption of better communications practices and protocols relating to immigration matters. ... speaking as he commissioned the nation’s first dedicated Immigration Holding Center on Monday in St. Johns. ... he has already engaged with countries like Guyana, Dominica and Jamaica. ...it is necessary to have these talks with sister CARICOM nations, ... contacts of this kind would indeed reinforce the obligation to treat with immigrants in a particular way. “I have actually started to reach out to colleagues ... And they were all very receptive so far.”
Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/news/latest/101023-cort-calls-for-immigration-talks.html#ixzz20LYzPRx7
So there is the Good Hon. Dr. PM & the Good Hon Sen Dr. Min of Immi. Do you honestly believe GoAB scanned the environment and future? Were they well served by Visionary Bureaucrats?
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a history of abuse

#21 tenman » 2012-07-11 16:11

United States stated:
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If you obey the laws of Antigua and Barbuda in regards to immigration matters then the center is not for you. Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/opinions/letter-to-editor/101031-detention-center-is-a-backward-step-for-csme.html#ixzz20LY4ScCh
I guess when persons remember incidents like the following:

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Dominican Journalist Lennox Linton who said that he was illegally deported in 2007 by the Antigua and Barbuda government has won his battle in court. High Court Judge Justice Louise Blenman has ruled that the expulsion of the former Observer Radio talk show host was unlawful, and has awarded damages to the journalist. Justice Blenman awarded Linton damages to the tune of $20,000. Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/news/latest/3846-journalist-defeats-antiguan-govt-in-court.html#ixzz20LYXlH3c
its hard for them not to be suspicious

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too smart to be educated

#20 dadilson » 2012-07-11 16:09

dailson :
yes its innocnt peoplehat could be your mother , daughter or son :
f you were ever fortunate to visit a detention center , obviously you havent based on your comments you would see and hear the stories of ordinary people like you that is seeking a better life elsewhere>
some of them turn out to be just like the Minister himself a son of an irime mmigant and now a Minister of Government or like the President of the Usa obama . Immigration should never be a crime. so no one for trying to seek a better lfe should be subjected to be imprisoned or locked away. i agree there should be other solutions especially for ntigua where most of the indeginous Antigunsa seek a better life in North America and they live "illegally" until their papers are fixed.
what you dont like for yourself dont do to others . It will turn around on this nation.
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From OECS to CSME: Strategic Thinking and ROI!!

#19 John French II » 2012-07-11 15:40

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. A Detention Centre! For Whom? At What Cost? This is not Transformative but a Transaction clouded by "Ethical Badmindedness". To those pondering Nation Building and Long Term Strategic advancement this is "one step forward two steps backward."
Are there visionary bureaucrats serving this Blue GoAB who are driven by retaining power every 5 yrs rather than looking to the next fifty years?
Strategic thinking at the Government Level has moved from analysis of PEST(Political, Economic, Social & Technological) to SLEPT including Legal. Further development has led to the inclusion of Ethics, Demographics & the Environment (STEEPLED). The most recent addition to such strategic management analysis includes Regulatory factors. Do you honestly beleve GoAB scanned the environment and future?
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As we ...continue the process of regional integration, ..., Antigua and Barbuda believes that we can learn from each other’s experiences ...and capitalize on the rich human resources within the region. ... Our survival is dependent on us realizing the ideals enshrined in the principles of CARICOM, said PM Spencer.
GoAB 05/07/12
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'Innocent' People

#18 dadlison » 2012-07-11 15:21

Why are bloggers saying 'innocent' people are going to get locked away? That's like saying don't build a prison since 'innocent' people will be locked in it. If you are an illegal immigrant then you are not innocent. You made an informed decision to break a country's immigration laws by either entering the country or obtaining work without the proper documents. Unless you are a refugee of some kind, Antigua and Barbuda is not obliged to give you any rights to overstay your welcome and put a strain on Antigua's minimal resources.

The detention center is a good thing, it is the government's immigration policies and their implementation that need work. They need a structured set of policies which are applied across race and nationality, and encourage the immigration of individuals who will become productive members of Antiguan and Barbudan society and adopt its culture, practices and traditions.
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Illegal US Citizen

#17 United Staes » 2012-07-11 14:41

Its so interesting you are stating you are a US Citizen probably from Antiguan extract .
If so you seek to leave Antigua and Live in the US . You were fortunate not to be locked away in one of the Detention centers that thousands of Haitians and others occupy even now. I guess you had the "time " and "place " to get your papers fixed without being subjected to indignity.
No one is telling the Government what to do. What the people are saying is that it is wrong to lock innocent people away for documentation purposes . So thank God that you nor your family have ever been subjected to that my friend. Thank God.
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Not Good For Antigua

#16 Non National » 2012-07-11 14:26

I dont think the Writer was saying its better to put the people in prison than Detention centers. My understanding is that the writer is saying that Crimminals belongs in prisons but innocent people should not be placed in detention centers.
I too dont agree that this detention Center is the best thing or small nation like Antigua. If the statement is true that there is already discrimination of fellow Caribbean people then this Detention Center will clearly further the machinations of those who carry out such abuse.
I have observe the way that the people line up at the immigration office and I have already heard of the stories that the Immigration officers especially the male officers have with the caribbean women and the sexual harrasment and encounters > this will just make the situation even worse. And now these people will become public spectacles in a detention center. It may look c;ean and nice for now but look forward to the complaints from foreign Governments SOOOOON. This is not the way to go> There must be a better solution.
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RE: Detention Center is a Backward Step for CSME

#15 UNITED STATES » 2012-07-11 14:24

All of you with your negative thoughts and ideals.You are telling the Government of Antigua what they should do and how they should do it.If you are visiting,have all documents in order.If you wish to stay in Antigua and work get the right papers.Pay the monies to get such documents.Some of you would want to work illegally,don't pay taxes.If you are caught,you will be detained and at the right time put on a plane and be sent back to your country.If you obey the laws of Antigua and Barbuda in regards to immigration matters then the center is not for you.It is about time the government did something about this matter.Native born Antiguans and Barbudans should applaud the Government for this move.
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So Typical

#14 Good for Antiguans » 2012-07-11 13:57

I found the comment of Good For Antigua to be so self centered and narrow minded and is truly typical of our former "house servants" of old. You speak of the mandate of Human Rights ? Where is the Human Rights in putting a man , a woman or a child in a detention center ? What if It was your child or or your wife ? would you be saying the same thing you are now saying? I doubt it. The reason why that mandate was given was certainly because of the inhamne treatment meeted out to these people in police stations etc. however it still bolis down to the same thing . imprisonment of innocent people. There is no justification for imprisoning innocent people for immigration purposes if they have not committed a crime. It is wrong >
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Interesting

#13 Saddened » 2012-07-11 13:46

I found this article to be well written even if I was to diasgree with the writer on some points. However I do agree that the building of detention center is not the way to go for a small country Like Antigua.
If a person is a crimminal and has to be deported then accomodate them at the Police Station or the Prison. To place a person in a cell because he or she has overstayed their time or has some docuemntation issue is wrong and inhumane. Case in Point is the Bahamas detention center that was recently compared to Guantanmo Bay because of its treatment to haitians and jamaicans > antigua may strat off well intentioned but it will also becaome just like all the other detention centers - a prison. If some of the bloggers were to ever be placed in a detention center and undergo the injustices they would singing a different tune. i agree with the writer - it will come back to haunt this nation .
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Good for Antigua & Antiguans.

#12 Citizen » 2012-07-11 13:07

Ladies and gentlemen,
Are you aware that an aspect of the International Immigration and Human rights Policy is for such centres to be available rather than police cells and the like. Antigua is coming of age. Give due respect for something done well and with the correct reason. Now other countries must reciprocate.
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RE: Detention Center is a Backward Step for CSME

#11 Johnny » 2012-07-11 12:34

How can someone who breaks our immigration laws be "innocent?" And how can you say that only black caribbeans will be detained here, and not chinese, syrians etc.? I do recall that Franciane's the french restaurant lost its french workers because they were deported. And some italian construction workers were also deported a few years back. Your letter is ignorant
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RE: Detention Center is a Backward Step for CSME

#10 Egg Shells » 2012-07-11 11:32

MERCYYYYYYYYY!! !! If it's one thing, PLM u make me larf with your comments jack. Your insularity is somethin else jak. :D :D :D
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Dr. Dredd

#9 tenman » 2012-07-11 10:38

Dr. Dredd, well said. PLM reminds me of Harold Lovell. They are both willing to use yesterdays injustices to defend today's. Its now alright to be prejudiced because it happened in the past. Instead of reviling such injustices, PLM (and Lovell) embraces it. The enslaved has held onto the prejudices of his former victimizers.Ind ependence in their minds signify a new oneness

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The Jamaican color line

#8 PLM » 2012-07-11 10:22

Dr. Dredd,
Why are you Jamaicans so racist? Me neber say nuttin bout black, white, or midnight blue.
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RE: PLM

#7 Chucks » 2012-07-11 10:19

Everytime I read PLM comments, I can only think of one person: Idi Amin. It is obvious that PLM really wants the 'Idi Amination' of Antigua. We all saw the results that occurred with that policy.
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Yes PLM

#6 Dr. Dredd » 2012-07-11 09:04

All the black Caricom Nationals are criminals. Let's deport them. But let's leave the Arabs, Chinese and Caucasians. They are all good, decent, hardworking people. Remember we have been taught. Black is evil. White is godly.
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You got it wrong non-national

#5 Common Cents » 2012-07-11 08:50

@Non-national writer, if you think that holding people at the police station is BETTER than a possible detention centre, you are sorely mistaken.

On what basis are you even making such statements?

While I agree that Antigua and Barbuda MUST being to treat it's Caribbean brothers and sisters with more respect, the truth is that there are a number of people who seek to enter the country ILLEGALLY, and therefore the detention centre is the best option for HUMANE treatment of these people.

Really and truly, your argument doesn't hold water
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A most intriguing concept

#4 Reader » 2012-07-11 08:34

How does one define ''Antiguan Non national'' ?
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2 Different issues

#3 Dr. Dredd » 2012-07-11 08:26

There are 2 completely different issues here. One is an Immigration Policy and the other is a Detention Centre. The UPP's Immigration Policy is, as the writer has noted, a straight racist one. There is one policy for black people and another for those of lighter skins. Mind you Antiguans, who don't love themselves, have no problem with this.
The second issue is the Detention Centre. This has been much needed and is certainly more humane. For instance, we now have only 2 Jamaican flights per week. Fridays and Sundays. So if a Jamaican is denied entry for what ever reason, male or female, on a Sunday, that person would have been held, either in a cell or on a bench from Sunsay night to Friday. No bath facilities, no bed etc. Remember, these are not robbers or rapists. These are simply persons who have been denied entry. This was most inhumane and at least now they will be a bit more comfortable.
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Deportation not just Detention

#2 PLM » 2012-07-11 07:25

The opening of this detention center is the best news all year! It is long overdue, but we can’t stop at detention. These foreign criminals must not just be detained, but they must also be deported, so civilized people will be able to walk the streets unmolested. Antigua for the Antiguans…
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@ Antiguan Non National?writer

#1 Skyewill » 2012-07-11 06:38

I disagree that a center should not have been built. We do need a seperate area to house immigrants. However I agree with you on almost everything else. You are correct it won't be for nobody but our own people. And by the way. Antigua don't care nothing about CSME, it's a fraud and a front. It is a nice to say. I went to one of those party weekends disquised as a conference. The five star hotel was slamming the babes were hot and the government ministers and their (.......) were having a blast on the peoples dime, They accomplished nothing! Another thing since in Antigua we don't maintain anything that place will be raggaty in a few months after this fake photo opp. We are the same people who sign the EPA with EU and forgot our own.
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