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James Critical of Religious Groups' Meeting

Nathaniel “Paddy” James on the Colin Sampson showAntigua St John's - Deputy chairman of the Antigua & Barbuda Electoral Commission (ABEC) Nathaniel “Paddy” James has come out strongly against what he perceives as a grave procedural error by the Antigua Christian Council (ACC) and the United Evangelical Association (UEA).

James accused the ACC and UEA of trampling on the principle of consultation by meeting with Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer without Opposition Leader Lester Bird.

The longstanding commissioner appeared on Monday on the Colin Sampson Show. Visit the Caribarena.com Video Archive to hear the full 90-minute conversation.

Recent amendments to the Representation of the People Act (RPA) now require a selection of religious and private sector organisations to jointly nominate two members to serve on the Electoral Commission. ACC chair Reverend Calvin Greenaway recently said that the religious bodies met with Spencer to clarify issues surrounding the new requirement.

Coming out of that meeting, Rev Greenaway opined that the complexity of the task would almost certainly result in the religious organisations missing the one-month statutory deadline for submission of their nominee.


The ACC and UEA are mandated to nominate one of two NGO members to the re-constituted Electoral Commission. The other new member is to be jointly selected by the Antigua & Barbuda Chamber of Commerce (ABCC), the Antigua & Barbuda Employers Federation (ABEF), and the Antigua & Barbuda Trade Union Congress (TUC).

James reported that information received from the TUC indicated that a compromise had been reached between the three private sector organisations. The arrangement would see each of the three organisations taking turns to individually select the nominee to represent the entire private sector for a seven-year term on the Commission.

But the ABEC deputy chair said this proposal was a departure from the intent of the legislation, which clearly calls for the three organisations to jointly decide upon a nominee.

James noted that the suggested compromise might result in two of the organisations being represented by an objectionable nominee forced upon them by the independent decision of the third.

This situation, he said, illustrates the absurdity of the ruling party’s ill-advised tampering with the electoral process.

However, James levelled harsher criticism at the religious bodies for what he viewed as their poor judgment in consulting solely with the prime minister. He said the church organisations have, perhaps unwittingly, trampled upon the consultative aspect of the selection process. This, he said, does not bode well for the future effective functioning of the Electoral Commission.

James fears that the ruling party might be engaged in mere window-dressing, using the subterfuge of “broadened representation” on ABEC to pack the Commission with two more people who may be relied upon to support the United Progressive Party (UPP) agenda.

He charged that the UPP administration is morally and legally wrong to inject the private sector (and especially the religious bodies) into what is clearly designed to be a process involving the parliamentary political parties.

Pointing out that the religious and private sector bodies have no machinery to govern their involvement in political matters, James further observed that the amendments to the Act have failed to provide these organisations with such essential support services as a body of scrutineers to keep them au fait with developments on the ground.


Since the Act ensures that the parliamentary parties are provided with such support services, it follows that the private sector and religious organisations should also be so equipped. Anything less would severely hamper their performance on the Electoral Commission. This omission, James said, clearly demonstrates the ruling party’s deceptive intentions in preparing the amendments.

James reserved his harshest criticism for the ruling party. He maintained that the UPP is attempting to inter-mingle the religious community in a secular process that is “laced with poisonous deception”. James challenged the religious authorities to guard against being used by secular leaders to cover their deeds, thus bringing the church into disrepute.

Warning that the entire process is “fraught with evil,” James concluded that clearly, Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer lacks understanding of the political process.


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#20 Toussaint » 2012-02-01 17:27

How come Paddy is being referred to as Deputy?
Is he sworn in as yet?
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#19 Dig It » 2012-02-01 12:03

Roadwarrior, I made a comment earlier but didn't see it. Anyway, to make it short, I just want to say thanks for the reassurance in the clergy, and your point very much taken! Respect!
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#18 Dig It » 2012-02-01 09:14

Roadwarrior, your point taken! Only you and you know your fellow men and women of the clergy, so I will not dispute that. With the way things are running in this country, the last thing we need is fresh bloods that can be easily brought at any price! Thanks for the reassurance!!! And, Nuff Respect to you!
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#17 Roadwarrior » 2012-02-01 06:55

Dig It, I have had some training but not as much as the ordained members of the cloth. I am close to some of them and so I know them, not just know of them.
Not everyone can be bought and sold and I still believe that there are men/women of the cloth who are dignified and filled with integrity. I have listened to them and I have seen them operate. I have no doubt that if they are to tell PM Spencer or whomever what is right and moral, they would not do it.
Tenman, I listened to Paddy and it seems that the he has done exactly as I have said - he does not know what the ACC decided but he has made pronouncements which can serve to bring the ACC into disrepute. Rev. Greenaway gave only some of what the ACC said, he ceratinly could not share everything in such a short snippet of news. I think that after the ACC and UEA meet w/ the Pm then they will be able to inform us how they will proceed. That I think is fair and reasonable.
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#16 Dig It » 2012-02-01 00:11

Roadwarrior, we have ben down this path before. I don't think no one is "attacking" if they believe there is a "separation between church and states," in the electoral process. Again, and I agreed with others that it is all "hypocrisy" when you have persons like Dr. Cort talking about the churches involved in the electoral process in his presentation in parliament (they don't "sincerely" mean it). Roadwarrior, I remember some time ago you called Bishop Dorsette a "loner" and his "overt personal ostracisation from the UEA." Yes, this is the same Dorsete who said he was "used" by politicians! Since, you are on the "ground" as you stated back then, are you telling me that, in "electoral matters" a member or members of the clergy can't be political influenced? I know of your "training" but I wish all the best if one of those selected member of the clergy is you!
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#15 tenman » 2012-01-31 16:44

Roadwarrior having listened to the interview, Mr. James was quite aware that they did not have to nominate a pastor. An issue he he had with the non political persons being added is that they have not been given the tools needed to monitor whats going on. One such tool he suggested was the scrutineers. The scrutineers would tend to report issues found to the nominee of their party. The non political appointments have no scrutineer to report back to them. Please if you have some time, listen to the interview

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#14 Roadwarrior » 2012-01-31 16:20

Paddy has placed a misnomer in his arguments to suggest that persons within the ACC or the UEA are not qualified to address electoral matters etc (my paraphrase). What Paddy fails to realise is that if the UEA and ACC decides to nominate someone, that person does not have to be a minister of religion. Both organisations could use a regular member from their groupings who has the requiste training in law, civics or governance. I do believe that some of the clergy do have training and yes mine certainly has.
Paddy must realise that there are many Antiguans who have qualifications/ expertise in certain areas, but they are not given a chance because they do not eat/drink from any political trough. Therein lies one of the greater problems of our nation in that some persons are selected for service in several areas only along party lines. There are some who do not tow the line, but have the expertise and know how. Many of them did not sit at the feet of Dr. Belle, Prof. Duncan et al for nothing!
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#13 Roadwarrior » 2012-01-31 15:36

Tenman, my sources within the church, reliable ones I must say have informed me that they have not yet met with the PM. In fact, the UEA has just gotten a new executive. As I said before, the churches have not even agreed that they will be offering a nominee as the law in itself creates some immediate challenge for the churches.
There are some men of God who have spoken clearly and pointedly on issues such as this electoral law and just maybe they need to be heard above the din of political expediency.
As a Christian, I look up to people like Dr. Jarvis, Rev. Lewis, Fr. Simon, Dr. Josiah, and some of these young ministers who are always willing to choose God over partisan politics. The UEA and ACC do have men of valour and courage who if placed in the given sutation will be able to say to PM Spencer and to any other comers that they are not interested in sharing in things which are tainted with political machinations and are so set to undermine the integrity of the individual and of the nation.
I trust my church leaders to make wise and right choices and I know that when the time comes for them to speak their piece, the will do so with Godly conviction.
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#12 tenman » 2012-01-31 15:20

Roadwarrior I listened to the interview with James and what I understood him as saying is that advice should not only be sought from one side. Any organization that involves itself in politics, if it wishes to be seen as non partisan, must not be seen to give either side preference. In your post, you pointed out the impossible time restriction. Others like me have been suggesting that this is all a ploy. The inclusion of the church was an after thought. The idea is to use the church to justify evil machinations.

RoadWarriar like you I have not seen it reflected that most of the pastors are not Antiguan's & Barbudan's and even if true I fail to see what turns on that.
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#11 Roadwarrior » 2012-01-31 14:49

It would seem as if x x is always willing to attack the Church. Is it anybody's fault that he can longer function as a lay minister in the Anglican Church? He needs to get at the person/persons who xxxx his xxxx to preach in the xxxx?
It is also sad that x is suddenly trumping Watts card. The Rotarians who meet at City View Hotel can tell of the times when they both snubbed and were openly hostile to each other in an organisation where peace is one of its foundations.
x seems to be looking for something - what it is, some of us do not know. He needs to get his xxxx life together and stop trying to pull the church and decent leaders into his siking boat! The sad thing is that none of the leaders are that nice nurse lady.
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#10 Roadwarrior » 2012-01-31 14:42

Paddy James is not aware of why the Church needs to meet with the PM, but he has jumped to his own conclusions. There are several persons, inclusive of some on this blog, who have no idea of why the ACC needs to meet with the PM, but they too have jumped to their own conclusions.
The PM wrote the ACC on January 9th 2012 and expected a name between the ACC and the UEA, by Jan 21st. Is this possible, as if the only thing that the people in this organisation do is sit and wait for politicians to write and ask them to nominate persons.
Both organisation have not made a decision as nominate or not to nominate, but there are those in the peanut gallery, Paddy et al, who are rushing to conclusions. The churches no doubt need clarity on issues in the Bill, even their own involvement and therefore this meeting is needed. Why is there a need to involve the Hon Lester Bird in the meeting?
BTW, all the ministers of the ACC and the UEA are not foreigners. There are many who are Antiguans and Barbudans and I would love to let some of you hear my native minister, Fr. Simon, who has advised us in his congregations on the involvement of the church in citizenship and governance!
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god forbid!!!!

#9 rupert j » 2012-01-31 14:35

I am sick and tired of all of this petty nonsense that keeps emanating from the puny minds of the alp and the upp, is there not a single issue that these idiots can agree upon, it does appear that education and commonsense were wasted on all of these folks who purported themselves to be the best and brightest that the country have to offer, if that is the case, is there any wonder that the country is going to the DOGS?.
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#8 backburner » 2012-01-31 13:46

Let us not forget that Bishop Donald Reece and Father Frank Power in 2004 were very influencal in helping the UPP win the election Bishop Reece had no problem condeming the ALP publicly. On election day 2004 Bishop Reece was at Parham school making sure that UPP voters got to the xxxx of the line. Bishop Reece a Jamaican and a very very close friend of David Shoul and Father Frank Power an Irishman. So it's not now this happening.
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#7 Dessalines » 2012-01-31 12:43

Quote:"How do Antiguans and Barbudans feel about this? A group of foreigners will have a vote on our Elections Commission."
Where are you going with this?
A group of foreigners already have a very influential vote in our general elections and have done so for a very long time.

I would answer you honestly but then Tenman will label me with some hatefully charged epithet.
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...church & state...

#6 Jumbee Picknee » 2012-01-31 12:02

Greetings, I have always heard the term, "seperation of church and state" been used over and over again, which is supposed to mean that the church has no need to partake in the business of government, except within their own walls. However, I have found this statement to be a fallacy from as far back as time immortal. The church has always pretended to be serving the best interest of the citizens but history has taught us that this is never the case. Today, many religious organizations are the biggest lobbyist for the control of State funds and many politicians cater to their needs because of the block of votes that they can deliver at election time. Our Nation dilema is no different. The preachers know where to pass around their collection plates....
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Paddy know Nothing

#5 PLM » 2012-01-31 10:34

Who is this xuxxard to lecture our religious leaders about anything? Paddy boy needs to get a rudimentary understanding about the history of this country and its constitution before he abuses delicate ears with his ignorance.
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confusion and evil

#4 tenman » 2012-01-31 09:42

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For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, ! Cor 14:33
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Avoid every kind of evil. 1 Thes 5:22
Hopefully these pastors will take note

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Most Religious Leaders are not Antiguan

#3 Judge Dredd » 2012-01-31 09:30

Most of the leaders of Churches in Antigua and Barbuda are NOT Antiguans. How do Antiguans and Barbudans feel about this? A group of foreigners will have a vote on our Elections Commission.
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Mr James

#2 ANTIGUAN WOMAN » 2012-01-31 09:23

The Christian counsel& evangelical association are nothing more than wolves in the skin of a sheep.God is not concerned with the gown you wear,the long scarf around your neck or the size of your church.You should not be surprised at anything they do,they are no different in the sight of God than anyone else on the street,infact they may be the very ones christ warned about and described as Hypocrites,Anyo ne who sits by and remain silent to the injustice been done in this country,which obviously will affect poor people more,cannot be men ofGod.
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guard against being used by secular leaders

#1 Skyewill » 2012-01-31 08:07

These church organizations are not for real. They should have declined participation in this very contrversal chain of events that is obviously ill intended. we are going to see what our society is made of. Church and State don't mix well. The idea is if you qget the churches in then people would be fooled as preachers are know to fool their followers all the time
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