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Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

John MurrayAntigua St. John's - Retired Liat pilot John Murray has declared his intent to challenge Steadroy “Cutie” Benjamin for representation of the St John’s City South seat in a constitutionally due election next March. But Benjamin has said there will be no primary run-off.

Speaking with Caribarena on Friday, Murray said he could not speak for the leadership of the party, but the constitution lays out his right to issue a challenge for any constituency.

According to Murray, a number of people within the constituency have expressed dissatisfaction at the level of representation from the ALP incumbents “in the not too distant past’. After canvassing the area, he decided to throw his hat in the ring.

“I was a bit overwhelmed at the response that I received,” he said.

As for Benjamin’s assertion to Caribarena that Murray had not spoken with anyone in his constituency, Murray’s response was, “If it should come down to a primary, then he will see.”

He added, “We are a democratic organisation, and the same way the current leader had the right to challenge the former leader, so I have a right to challenge him [Benjamin].”



Benjamin told Caribarena Murray was using a strategy adopted by those unwilling to accept the results of the party’s November convention. He said, “It is an attempt to destabilize the ALP, but I can give assurances that their actions will fail.”

Benjamin added, “There will be no primary. The branch of the ALP has written to Mr Murray that they have no interest whatsoever to give consideration to him. As far as I am concerned, Murray’s chances are nil to zero.”

Benjamin also asserted that more formidable candidates had tried and failed in the past.

“Don’t be surprised,” he said, “if later there will be 15 candidates produced by the disgruntled group to undermine the stability of the ALP – it is the work of the disgruntled faction of the ALP.”

Meanwhile, in his intention letter, Murray said, “In keeping with my understanding of the proposed changes to the boundaries of the constituency, to include areas such as Ovals, Ottos Newtown and Lower Ottos, which are the communities in which I was born and spent my formative years. Accordingly, any primary that is conducted by the party should be inclusive of these areas.”

Murray has been affiliated with the ALP since 1973. He is a former CEO of LIAT, where he worked for 30 years.

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MY WAY OF HELPING - Its about the love

#41 tenman » 2013-02-19 00:16

MY WAY OF HELPING to me your saying we are not ready for an OECS appeals court is akin to someone saying we are not ready to wear clothes. I asked you to suggest the alternative, and I am yet waiting. As far as certain type of evidence not being accepted or accepted only lately, ours is not the only courts with such issues. Perhaps if you would specially state the type of evidence we can do a real comparison based on jurisdictions. MY WAY OF HELPING, if I knew it all, I would not have had to apologize via comment corrections for mistakes I made. Anyway My Way of Helping, I do this all out of love for my people: as Cutey would say: "Its about the love"

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Dig It

#40 tenman » 2013-02-18 23:56

Dig It, three quickly come to mind, your former rep Winston Williams, MP Daniel and the dangerous bungler MP Baptiste. With some we lose money that in time may be regained, with the latter we just may lose country due to irreparable Environmental damage. Mr. Pompey had an article where he pointed out the worst person to employ is one who is busy doing ignorance. They can set you back to a point where you can never recover.

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TENMAN

#39 MY WAY OF HELPING » 2013-02-18 23:33

I was so ashame when i heard some blacks folks spoke in 2008, saying i will vote for Obama because he is black, they did not care about anything else other than this man, who i voted for, yes i voted for Obama but because of what he stand for, argued for, his policy. While the other black folks only voted base on his colour.

Tenman is using the samething, the only thing, to justify having a court, whether it be a court of appeal or a supreme court base on, oh we are OECS give us a court. Life is much more Tenman, issues are much complex, i know for you, it is just about winning or losing a debate or showing you may know something but for us, my type of people, who you may make you feel you wasted time debating with us, life means considering every pragmatic thing possible to come to a fair, equitable, moral and legal decision.

Tenman, if i ever run for office, do not vote for me base on, i am from the OECS or Caricom or I am black, there are much more to things, life.
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@ Dig It - Long Term Strategy.

#38 John French II » 2013-02-18 23:06

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. Dr. Isaac Newtown has written an Excellent Opinon Piece, which most likely will be published by CA tomorrow or the next few days.
As much as I can see te intent and possible outcomes of his article, it appears to me that those who wish to take back these SIDS for the People must make a break with "First Past The Post". To do so they must embed themselves for many years in both parties and strike collectively and at the same time to Transform the System. This require Dedicated and Patient operatives. Third Parties are very difficult in these small places.
Go Well! Much Respect!
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TENMAN, MR. KNOW it all

#37 MY WAY OF HELPING » 2013-02-18 23:05

Oh, Again, we are not ready for an appeal court in the OECS or a final court of appeals here. because it is implemented for years means nothing, people have been killing for years, we are ready for that too?
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TENMAN, MR. KNOW it all

#36 MY WAY OF HELPING » 2013-02-18 23:02

So because it is in place for years mean we are ready for it or was ready for it? There are many reasons why i say this, what court of law for years exclude certain types of evidence until recently? But as you with sarcasm and subtly trying to say and i agree, we are on different levels here. Contact my office if you need more information.

For me, it is helping, for you it is pretending to know all. If you want an intellectual debate with knowledge that people will think differently, again contact me.
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#35 MY WAY OF HELPING » 2013-02-18 22:54

Tenman, perhaps because we are on differently moral and intellectual level with different degrees and achievements.
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JF II pt.3

#34 Dig It » 2013-02-18 21:55

Heros include Nick Boles, a Planning Minister, who is known for his stance on the "struggling and impoverished urban brits."
One Villian is Oliver Letwin AKA "Serial Bungler," a Cabinet Minister Officer, was 'entrusted' by David Cameron and Nick Clegg, to help in coming up a "compelling vision for the final two-and-half-ye ars before the election" but instead drove the project into a "car crash."
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4043307/The-Heroes-and-Villains-of-Westminster.html#ixzz2LIpyN9wC
I believe we are able to find more "villian" than "hero" in our small state of the Westminister system. Bless.
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JF II pt.2

#33 Dig It » 2013-02-18 21:54

JF II, this is why it is critical that we find the best and brightest minds to be a part of building this country, village-by-vill age, and town-by-town? With the rate we are going, those 'aspiring politicians' will have a "zero to nil" chances of trying to bring about change. In an article about the "hero and villain" for the Westminister, for the first week in 2013, it said that Quote:
"VERY WEEK, we reveal a new hero and villain for Westminster's past seven days. Our team prowls every corridor of power to keep a watchful eye on the people we entrust to keep things running smoothly.
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JF II pt. 1

#32 Dig It » 2013-02-18 21:46

JF II, no doubt about it, the Westminister system is our 'biggest problem.' I believe the time is ripe to make sound 'reforms' in the system, if our leaders and politicians want to set the example for other states in the region that is under such Westminister. However, the 'mindset' is missing because we tend to not embrace a 'revoluntionary change' in own governemnt or politicial affairs. Why? I believe you said it all.
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No true meaning of democracy!

#31 Dig It » 2013-02-18 21:06

How can we ever make progress in this country, if the “true-meaning” of ‘democracy’ is “Undermined” like a ‘blunt-force’ to the membrane! Sadly, our politicians tend to “mimic” or “copycat” each other, elected or unelected. Their willingness to be different in politics is little/nil. Our history has shown that the “incumbent” is really challenged within political parties, so, this will go on in “nation-buildin g.” Meanwhile, those who can see the “unfairness” and “badmindedness” from a mile away are left to ‘taste-their-ow n- dribble’ and most likely are called “troublemakers” or “mutineers.” Our politricks is so “Rysh-and-Dutty !”
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#30 Antigua Bill » 2013-02-18 19:47

I don't care what you call it,The New ALP or the True ALP there are some serious internal conflict going on that need to be addressed and I doubt that it can be done before the next general election.
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Against The Colonial System With True Representation & The Right People

#29 John French II » 2013-02-18 19:04

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock! Many fellow travellers are blaming leaders of both Parties for this flawed process. It is unfair to the Good Hon. Leaders & Constitutions of their Political Parties.
They are following all of the traditions, structures & Systems of the Westminister Parliamentary & "First Past The Post System." This political system gives them power to appoint candidates who will run for elected positions on their party tickets.
Do not confuse the US System with the Westminister System. Avoid that confusion of US Political thought creeping into your thinking sans knowledge of your own political, social & cultural systems due to US cultural penetration. Not arguing which is best.
This mere voice in the wilderness urges, If you do not think it is Good Governance, agitate, join a party & urge Transformation of The System.
It would be most effective in this SIDS, for every person to vote for every one running for elected office - Fewer Positions in Parliament - regardlees of party affiliation with no constituency. Build Community, Municipal Councils, Reduce Cabinet. Abolish Senate. A long term Conversation.
Oh Gad! Pray Wid Mi Picknees!
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head hurting

#28 tenman » 2013-02-18 18:04

My Way of helping I was asking a question. I did this in order to see if you understand what you are talking about. You now say your argument includes one against the OECS court. This is the court which currently determines the judges who serve in the local high courts throughout the OECS and the OECS appeals court. It is a system we have been a part of since 1967. So you wish for us to do away with this present system? Are you aware of how difficult it is to even find judges from the region? So the plan now will be for Antigua to have its own separate court system? You say we we not ready for something that has been in place in all OECS islands since 1967? Why is it that after too many discussions with you, I find myself wanting back the time?


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what democrocy

#27 SIRIER48 » 2013-02-18 17:25

How is it that the leadership could be challenged and won, but no incumbent can be challenged, was LB not the incumbent? what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. If ALP is going to move forward with possitive attitudeand change, then a shake up is needed. Bring new BLOOD with new ideas to the party. its time the Yearwoods, and Cuties of old school move over and breed new life into the party. this is the 21st century and the ways of old is over. What is needed is a young and energetic party from top to botton. Mr leader let Democracy work and let the people decide who shall represent them
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@the objectors

#26 jeb » 2013-02-18 16:54

In this so called free society why on earth should this gentleman not run to be a representative of a constituency if he so chooses. It should be up to the people who they want to represent them, not just a certain few who want to control and say how our democracy should be conducted…that is not freedom of choice. Let all the contenders campaign based on their merits, their achievements and their political outlooks for the future. I am getting the impression that GB and BS have a lot in common in that they think they are in control (a fu me decision) when in reality it should and needs to be the peoples’ decisions and choices. We are living in nothing more or less than a dictatorship under the guise of pretending to acknowledge “for the people and by the people”. I, for one do not want more of the same…it has changed Antigua into an oppressed, corrupt and angry country that many of us do not recognize anymore.
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@ Tenman

#25 MY WAY OF HELPING » 2013-02-18 16:26

Tenman, how can you tell me what i am arguing for ha ha ha. I am arguing against any court of appeal being In OECS/caricom, whether court is an appeal court or a final court of appeal. I, from evidence, see we aren't ready yet.

Tenman, in debates you do not tell your opponents what points to argue
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A Deeply Flawed System! PT3

#24 John French II » 2013-02-18 15:10

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock! CountryMen, some are salivating at the potential removal of the existing GoAB & as such are not prepared to open the process to the party faithful. At this Critical Juncture of expected Boundary Changes & Reregistration, that is neither visionary, creative or Strategic. It is blind allegiance to personalities - whether competent or not - & not to the Guiding Political, Economic, Social & Technology Vision of the Party.
Rastas, Murray's words should not be ignored. They are not only visionary but creative & maybe of longterm Strategic Value even when thinking of short term victories: Quote:
“In keeping with my understanding of the proposed changes to the boundaries of the constituency, to include areas such as Ovals, Ottos Newtown & Lower Ottos, which are the communities in which I was born & spent my formative years. Accordingly, any primary that is conducted by the party should be inclusive of these areas.”

Comrade Leader, given the expected changes let the Party Faithful decide their Candidates when known. It is hard to change attitudes, but easy to change behavioural patterns.
Oh Gad! Pray Fuh Mi Picknees!
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MY WAY OF HELPING

#23 tenman » 2013-02-18 14:49

MY WAY OF HELPING, to be clear you do know we already have an appeals court named the OECS appeals court? We have subscribed to this court for years. The issue is about whether we would instead make the CCJ our final appeals court vs the privy counsel. The election case you suggested the results would (may) have been different if heard by the privy council, the results could have also been different if heard by the CCJ. However our law in regards to such matters made the OECS court final. Your role model, MP Benjamin, in that interview made it clear that its time for us to make the move

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A Deeply Flawed System! PT2

#22 John French II » 2013-02-18 14:23

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock! CountryWomen, this first past the post system is not serving us well. This mere voice in the wilderness has been suggesting that such an electoral system should be totally abandonned. The Westminister Parliamentary System should be Reengineered, Redesigned, Restructured & Realigned to the Political, Economic, Social &Technological Environment of the People of A&B. Here are the most recent thoughts of Dr. Isaac Newton:Quote:
But we'll have to overcome ... stagnation of creativity. Let's not ignore our post-independence status. We are guilty of self-imposed wounds & imperfections. We have failed to transform inherited colonial structuresthat we love to condemn, but still keep as untouchables.
Need I say more. Two years ago, the British Foreing Office recommended to the Turks & Caicos, that they should seriously look to Transforming the Westminister Parliamentary System. Like us they did nothing being satisfied with the way things are. It is always "Our Time Now" the complement of "Bigmanism". Democracy is not perfect. The only people whose will is represented is the leaders, not those who back the local winner.
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A Deeply Flawed System!

#21 John French II » 2013-02-18 13:53

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock! Friends, as a youth @ AGS, "Ole Brown" reminded us that we were much too young to fully understand the Nursery Rhymes which were part of our formative cultural education. With the passage of time, it has become clear that "Ole B" was on to something. Your Indulgence:Quote:
Little Bo peep has lost her sheep And doesn't know where to find them. Leave them alone and they'll come home,
Bringing their tails behind them. Little Bo peep fell fast asleep And dreamt she heard them bleating, But when she awoke, she found it a joke, For they were all still fleeting. Then up she took her little ** Determined for to find them. She found them indeed, but it made her heart bleed, For they left their tails behind them. It happened one day, as Bo peep did stray Into a meadow hard by, There she espied their tails side by side All hung on a tree to dry. She heaved a sigh, and wiped her eye, And over the hillocks went rambling, And tried what she could, As a shepherdess should, To tack again each to its lambkin.
The morale of the words in the song are that one must take responsibility of falling asleep or face the consequences.
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@ Tenman

#20 MY WAY OF HELPING » 2013-02-18 13:43

Being my role model, does not mean you are perfect or we will agree on everything. I was just sitting here thinking we have been debating about the court and wanted to let you know, i am debating that we aren't ready for an appeal court here YET, while you are debating me, thinking i do not ever want an appeal court.

Go back and read all my blogs, and I will say again, we aren't ready for such court yet, we are just not ready.
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Respect

#19 Villager » 2013-02-18 12:15

New leader, new energy and now this sort of destabilization ? If there is a challenge them the executive should review the basis of the challenge and if found credible, conduct a primary in the constituency ; let the people decide because if the incumbent believe they are doing the job the people had voted them to do they should not have a problem. UPP the same applies. I also would not be surprised if LB & Co. is behind this. I want to make it clear the the "B" in ABLP does not mean "BIRD".
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#18 ANTIGUAN WOMAN » 2013-02-18 11:53

I know this man and respect him, however this is 2013,elections are due in a yr,why are we still creating these frictions whithin the party? Please take a back seat,this is not about personalities and individuals,thi s is about ousting the Upp for the benefit of all.Cutie stays,time for these petty nonsense to cease,it is selfish that because the Hon Lb is no longer the leader, that anyone should be allowed to destabilize the party, i supported the hon LB during the conventions,its over,and i have to think about my future.What is wrong with you people???
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MY WAY OF HELPING - Your role model?

#17 tenman » 2013-02-18 11:33

MY WAY OF HELPING here is what your role model says about the CCJ/ making it our final court (see Benjamin Demands Improved Judicial System,23 December 2011 By Colin Sampson) :
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Benjamin also proposed that the OECS states merge their wasteful and duplicate individual overseas embassies, freeing up even more funding for the beleaguered regional court systems. He also made a strong pitch for people in the region to see the CCJ as a necessary, natural, and inevitable progression in national development. Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/news/latest/99261-benjamin-demands-improved-judicial-system.html#ixzz2LGUOkhbP
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mark 2:22

#16 labourite » 2013-02-18 11:04

Thank you captain enough respect for your boldness and I also welcome the news of M.Richards running in that constituency.ho pe one of you run as independent to change the status cou which is definitely not working.NO ONE POURS NEW WINE INTO OLD WINESKINS.
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Poor John

#15 alp to me bone » 2013-02-18 10:26

CHHHUUUPPPZZZZ.
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time of the decision

#14 AntiguanYouthMan » 2013-02-18 10:20

The Decision not to have any Parliamentary Incumbents challenged was made by the ALP Executive long before 25th November 2012. point of information for rasta T
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#13 Voice of reason » 2013-02-18 10:19

Comrades should be able to see through all the rhetoric that is being displayed by the persons who want to challenge. I agree with Dr.Dredd that this is all LB's doing. The New leader and the other comrades had called on him to come out and speak to his PERSONAL supporters countless times and he had refused in the from of no response.. I find that move utterly spineless. The longer he takes to come out and address the people is the more he will lose support, respect and the people will see him for what he really is..
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His 10 mins of fame

#12 AntiguanYouthMan » 2013-02-18 10:03

Even if the ALP Executive didn't come to the decision that NO INCUMBENT WILL BE Challenged, this guy could not even get 20% of the votes in a primary. The ALP have what we call "spoilers" and the majority of ALP supporters will not condone nor facilitate these acts.
Primary or not, Cutie have the Spot.
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#11 Just asking » 2013-02-18 10:02

I do not know how Cutie has embar**ed the party but to each his own. You all need to understand that there is a group out there that is mad that a BIRD is not the leader of the party, as Antigua and Barbuda belongs to the Birds and no one else is suitable enough to do, so they will do anything they believe will let the ALP fail. If there are any of you here who supports that view, then you all need to move to an island where the people will allow that kind of foolish thinking is allowed.

I wonder why the Birds find it so hard to let others lead? Why is it so important for them to hold office? Earth is the Lord's not man so I want to understand why some of you feel the Birds have all rights to Antigua and not you or your offspring?
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Come on Lester

#10 Rasta T » 2013-02-18 09:44

What on earth has happen to these labourites only persons of interest to Gaston other comrades want to challenge some thing is not smelling right here am pleading to my esteem Emeritous leader please do something rise up and speak to ur people we have to win this election dogs begging for bread in Antigua now Poor People A Suffer
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Murry Determined to oust Cutie

#9 PATRIOT » 2013-02-18 09:13

This situation with the Captain trying to remove Cutie... is laughable and I would ask the good Captain.....to use whatever energy he has left , to fight for a more prosperous ... Antigua and Barbuda....It is clear that some folks in the Labour Party.....are not for the Young People in this country..... they can't take change.....They believe... the Labour Party belongs to them.....and it appears they would do anything once they are not in control....to bring down the party.....Let me tell these people.... Wake up and smell the coffee....if Labour does not get back in power....The majority of you folks who are making noise....Your future will be hell..
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Not sounding to democratic here Mr Benjamin.

#8 Hawk » 2013-02-18 09:04

“There will be no primary. The branch of the ALP has written to Mr Murray that they have no interest whatsoever to give consideration to him. As far as I am concerned, Murray’s chances are nil to zero.”


Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/news/politics/103170-murray-determined-to-oust-cutie.html#ixzz2LFnXrRJo
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Lester Bird Confusion

#7 Dr. Dredd » 2013-02-18 08:51

Call a spade a spade. ALP people know that all of these challenges are being orchestrated by LB. They will all fail but it is time LB is exposed.
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#6 Voice of reason.. » 2013-02-18 08:37

I don't know if you guys know this, but there was a decision made by the executive of the party before the polls (wiether scientific or not) that NO INCOMBANT member SHALL be challenged. Clearly if you guys knew anything about politics you would know this it a blatant smoke screen. This gentleman wrote to the branch and the branch turned down his request. Maybe sometime in the future the contents of that letter will be revealed. These guys are boldly trying to destabilize the party watch and you'll see. There's more to come, remember a concerned citizen said so..
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#5 Guest » 2013-02-18 08:36

It is time to remove Cutie.
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#4 Gaston » 2013-02-18 08:36

It is clearly time that Cutie be challenged. He has embar**ed the party long enough.
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#3 not again » 2013-02-18 05:37

It is so strange that the leadership was challenged and now when persons who supported Browne are challenged they cry foul. Maybe NOW cutie will get up off his donkey and work.
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#2 MY WAY OF HELPING » 2013-02-18 05:16

Mr. Benjamin, honestly is one of my role model and the attorney i respect most with Eli fuller. However, disgruntle or not, if he is challenging you, please accept and let us see what he has to offer and you. You being my favorite does not exempt you from the constitution or just outright fairness of giving everyone a chance.
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RE: Murray Determined to Oust Cutie

#1 Woods » 2013-02-18 04:55

Best of luck Captain! Perhaps your steady handling of ships of the sky is just the answer needed to move this grounded ship (ALP) forward, knocking a few barnacles off the hull in the process might just do the trick!
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