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By Eef Armstrong
Antigua St John's - “I don’t care what happens in Belize, there will be no change in the law on buggery in Antigua & Barbuda. At least not if I can help it. Being gay is morally wrong, and to be honest personally, I am still homophobic.
I know they are going to ask me this same question at the Human Rights United Nations meeting I am attending, and I will give them the same answer," Attorney General Justin Simon said.
“Besides, the churches and the public will cry murder if that would happen. I can tell you that," he added.
In 2005, Simon added an anti-corruption piece to the legislation in regard to fraud. When he defined partner, he included same sex partners. He clarified that he was only covering all the bases, and that in no way was he encouraging gay relationships. But still, according to the AG, the churches came to see the prime minister over the issue and the radio stations had a field day with it.
Simon was responding to the judicial review of the buggery law presently being mounted in Belize. The buggery law in Antigua falls under the sexual offences act of 1995, and states that a person who commits buggery is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to imprisonment a) for life, if committed by an adult on a minor; b) for 15 years if committed by an adult on another adult; or c) for five years if committed by an minor.
"Buggery” means sexual intercourse per anum by a male person with a male person or by a male person with a female person.
Section b calls for revision on the grounds of human rights. “If the government tells me to change the law, I will of course, but now is not the time, perhaps later down the road," Simon said. "Antigua is still very much led by male and church influences.” According to Simon, the law doesn’t require attention, as Antiguans condone homosexuality on a basis of "if you don’t trouble me I don’t trouble you."
AIDS Programme Manager Delcora Williams agreed on one point with Simon - that the Antiguan society is quite tolerant of homosexuals, especially compared to other Caribbean countries like Jamaica, where people are beaten or killed over their sexual preference. According to Williams, the buggery law certainly does not interfere with her work at the AIDS Secretariat as far as homosexuals not coming forward for medical aid when they need it.
So far, human rights have not been violated when it comes to stipulation b. “The buggery law is not being implemented when it concerns consensual sex, but only in regard to a criminal case, like rape, as far as I know, so you could wonder why even bother taking it off the books?" Williams said. Right after that statement, however, she pointed out that if it is off the books, there is no longer room to use the law at a whim in regard to human rights.
Director of Public Prosecution (DPP) Anthony Armstrong admitted that in his four years in that position, he has had some cases in regards to buggery, but these were criminal cases and not consensual sex cases.
Person A, who is gay, would like the buggery law where it comes to stipulation b off the books. “It feels like an infringement on my rights as a human. The right to choose who I make love to and how," he said. Person B, who is also gay, shared that sentiment. They both agree that Antiguans are reasonably tolerant toward gays.
“We had a diva pageant last year, and I can walk the streets without harassment,” said person A, “but that does not go for all gays. At our support group meetings, we do share stories of discrimination and violence. You don’t hear about it in the news, because we don’t report it. A friend of mine did, and was chased out of the police station."
Person B added that the support group consists of gays from different Caribbean islands. When asked to give an estimate of the number of gays in Antigua, Person A said it would be in the hundreds. Person B explained that not all of them are a part of the support group. Some are actually still married and living a double life.
The support group for gays has been discussing the buggery law, and will do so again at its next meeting. “We are really not sure how to proceed, but we do need to find a way to get the law changed," Person A said.
62 Comments In This Article
RE: NEAL
SMH
Interested Party
There are three main religious books that all speak of 'one God' (The Bible, The Koran, and The Torah). Supposedly, they speak of the same GOD. They all tell of the love we should have for each other other. There is no mention of HATE. They all claim to be the word of God, yet each was written by MAN, interpreted by MAN, used by MAN, and ABUSED by MAN. Using these three books, MAN had done more destruction to human life on this earth than all natural disasters combined.
Therefore, I have to conclude that anyone that uses one of these books to justify the persecution, enslavement, killing, or demeaning of another person has no claim to use the name Christian, Muslim, or Jew. I have a few choice names that can be used instead. (Try A__hole, Dip S__t, F__king Idiot, or fill in with one of your own.
I am sure that any name you can come up with applies to AG.
Neil
Say What
SMH
RE:Iron
SMH
MikeLM
not important
re- Brooklyn
HC
resist the antichrist
steve
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
Brooklyn
Am I the only one to see this irony?
Iron
Not God, but you
None of you have any more clue to the meaning of life then anyone else, the fact that you would try to claim you do, says you actually know less than the average human, maybe a few primates.
MikeLM
WOW,THATS ALL I CAN SAY.
2ND CHRONICLES,(cha p13) If i shut up the heavens that there be no rain,or if i command the locusts to devour the land,or if i send pestilence among my people.
(chap 14) And if my people whom are called by name,shall HUMBLE themselves,and pray and Seek my face,turn from their wicked ways,then will i hear from heaven,and will forgive their sins and heal the land
Psalms 46(chap 10) Be STILL and KNOW that i am GOD,i will be EXALTED (lifted up) among the NATIONS,I will be exalted in the Earth.
Donna Cha
The Libertarian's prayer...
marco polo
Avid Reader(my last take on this,i see you are bordering on Atheism.
Say What-------
@ Say What
Avid Reader
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
If we are created in his own imagine then we need to ask this God what went wrong when he was molding "gays". Question this perfect being!!
Blows my mind that the AG of this nation would make such a statement and interject his "personal" beliefs on this nation.
SMH
Avid reader
Say What
@ Born Again Christain
The Book of Mary is never included in any of the writings because as told, Peter ranted about her recanting of how she knew Christ. He did not believe that she could have been as close to him as she claimed.
If she was, it would have put to rest the theory that women had no power and that there place was below men, talk about chauvenism. Just pay attention to the religious right in the US and the laws they are passing against women.
If we are created in God's image, with so much wrong with us as human beings then we need to start questioning what has he done to us and not question the man who has tolerance for his fellow man.
Avid Reader
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
well well well
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
born again christian
Marco polo
Say What-------
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
HC
Simon needs to be removed.
If nature was created equal, we would not have inequality at every turn. I for one thinks, God played a miserable joke on us, he wanted to know if we could be tolerant of the bending of nature and as human beings we are failing miserably at it.
Antiguans & Barbudans need to tell these people that are guiding what happens in our society enough is enough, there are more things to worry about. I doubt if every gay person is going up to him and telling him "I want to xaxk you".
Apparently his job is not that important to him and therefore it is time to remove him. This is a man who has nothing to do, education was not that important to him, what a joke.
Avid Reader
skyewill
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tenman
Ladies depend on Skyewill
skyewill
Last two cents
I'm no authority, but I know you can find quotes about jihad in the Quran and many calls to spurn Gentiles in the Torah.
I just don't think it's healthy for a global society in the 21st Century to be so obssessed with old theocratic text over basic reality in the world.
Note: there were almost a thousand people who followed Jim Jones to Guyana.
Buzzbomb
@ Say What
marco polo
@ Good blow Bob
skyewill
Think(Liberated ???)
Say What
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
think!!!!!
ALL GAYS& SUPPORTERS OF SUCH
born again christian
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
D
ALL WHOM I OFFENDED
ANTIGUAN WOMAN
buzzbomb
Romans 1:26–27
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
1 Corinthians 6:9
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
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tenman
@THINK
SAY WHAT--
BUZZBOMB
SAY WHAT--------
Mokum
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krudM4kHZt4&feature=related*
The Punisher
Show me the scripture
But then again there always seems to be a way to twist a verse or two to support bigotry. So show me the scripture. Bet you can't.
Afterall, in the past the bible has been used to justify slavery, bloody crusades, apartheid, condemn interracial marriage, execute women as witches, support the Klan, and persecute Jews.
Shakespeare said it this way: "Even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."
This is just bigotry on display and I couldn't care less what two consenting adults do in their home.
Buzzbomb
True Leadership....
marco polo
@Morris
Proud ANU Queen
@ Antiguan Woman
Also, I never said they adjusted the laws to make the other evils right, they just pick and choose when, and on whom, to enforce them.
Morris
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
Antiguan Woman
@ Morris
Antiguan Woman
Half Right
I do also believe that homosexuality, in some cases, is just the way you were born, and we should not discriminate, however not every state into which we were born is natural. OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) is not necessarily deadly and went undiagnosed for most of human history, but now is recognised as a disorder and treated, I maintain that homosexuality should be viewed in the same light. As a disorder and not a lifestyle. But the West has decided it is the latter, and so we must all step in line or be seen as violating human rights. Ah life...
dadlison
Integrity
Lionman
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
* stop hating our fellowmen and start loving our neighbors as ourselves.
* stop the fornication, adulteries and prostitution.
* stop bearing false witness against one another.
* stop the greed, envy, and thievery.
I guess we will not stop any of the aforementioned immoral/evil acts, because we delight in them; yet we, who are just as guilty of sin, are always ready to cast the first stone. Let the individuals be, and let God deal with them the same way he will deal with us.
Morris
@ Remember & Think!!!!!!
Morris
@ANTIGUAN ABROAD
Antiguan Woman
DONT CARE WHO THINK I AM HOMOPHOBIC
Antiguan Woman
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
This is the best that the nation's attorney general could do to justify his "reasoning"?
Mr. AG, the role of the law in a democratic society is precisely to prevent the tyrannous abuse of human rights by those who would oppress others based on such childish and boorish "reasons".
The church needs to grow up and stop using their silly book of mythology to selectively decide what constitutes evil.
"(Shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carc** as an abomination." (Leviticus 11:11)
"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)
"...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7)
PFKAR
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
Antiguan Abroad
For God and country
PLM
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
@ Think...did this individual showed evidence of wanting to have sex with the same gender or did they show evidence of being "born" as a wrong gender? I ask this because one of the questions leads to that person being a homosexual and the other leads to the person probable having gender issues on a physical, mental and spiritual level especially if this person showed traits of it very early in life like before puberty. If, it leans to the latter this person may need phsycological help.
But, still for both....GOD help us!!
Remember
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
hmm
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
As for Mr. Simon's open declaration that he is "homophobic", I certainly hope he does not make a similar pronouncement in an international setting. The word has extremely negative connotations, especially here in the US, that I am not sure he fully appreciates.
Antiguan Abroad
@Skyewill
Damned straight (pun intended)!
Amsterdam has Universities, Libraries, Museums, social stability, competent government, rich history and a thriving economy.
Good Job Bob
Never have so many been concerned....
marco polo
Agreed.
Antiguan Youth
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
Most citizens would agree that we have all felt buggered by the aforementioned at one time or another.
W.T.F
Boom Bye Bye
skyewill
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
"Antigu a is still very much led by male and church influences.” Good luck with that dumb chauvinistic sexist rationale as the basis for your case before the UN Human Rights meeting.
I agree that we should protect minors and victims of criminal acts, but let those consenting adults choose their own partners and let God be their judge at the appointed time. You have much more important tasks ahead of you to bring ANU back from the brink of collapse.
Morris
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
Think!!!!!!
RE: Antigua's Buggery Law Unlikely To Change
Seriously?
BeenThereDoneThat
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