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AG Weighs in on CIP Fiasco

Attorney General Justin SimonAntigua St. John's - Attorney General Justin Simon has sought to clear up a few misconceptions concerning the Citizenship by Investment Programme Bill, its rejection by certain senators, and the prime minister’s right to dismiss two of the four senators at the centre of the controversy.

Speaking on Observer Radio’s morning show yesterday, Simon first clarified that the Bill was indeed rejected in its entirety at the committee stage.

“Normally what you would have is that there would be amendments made or suggested by the Senate, and on that basis the bill would have been returned to the house with a letter of transmission or message of transmission which would have indicated the various amendments or recommendations which would have been made by the senate body for consideration by the house in its subsequent deliberations,” he said.

He added that what he has proposed, and believes will happen, is for the parliamentary caucus of the government members of Parliament and senators to have a thorough discussion of the provisions to get an idea of the specific concerns in respect of the provisions.

Following this, he said, the Bill should be going back to the House for debate.



“Now let me clear something up, because I know that there is, there has been talk that the bill cannot return in this session, and it has to wait on another session. That is not so,” he said.

Simon explained, “The constitution does make provisions for the House to ignore or override bills which have been rejected by the Senate.”

It specifically indicates that with money bills, the senate powers are very limited in respect of that, and in respect of other bills, what is provided in the constitution is that if a bill is rejected twice by the senate, then the House in the next session, once it passes the Bill, can then override the negative vote of the senate, and send the bill over to the governor general for signing into law, he clarified.

That, he added, has to happen in two successive sessions, and there must be a three-month interval between sittings.

“This is not the case as I've explained, because the senate has only rejected it on one occasion, so that problem or issue does not arise. I do not see it as the case,” Simon said.

He said the senators, apart from the independent ones, would certainly have to represent the views of the appointee.

“Now we would expect a certain amount of independent debate by the senators, and I think they have enjoyed that type of debate which people have come to listen and recognize,” Simon said, “but at the end of the day, the government senators would be expected to follow the government policy, just as the opposition senators would be following the general policy as laid down by their opposition leader or their party.”

However, he said this does not prevent them from expressing their concerns, but there is a provision which allows the senate body to return the bill with its recommendations and suggestions.

Concerns

Simon noted that the senators had the chance to discuss their concerns.

One such occasion, according to the AG, was the caucus of the government senators held on the Monday just before the senate debate began. Others, he noted, included when the bill had been before members of the public and the senate, from as far back as October 2012.

“One would have expected that any expressions of concern would have simply been made to the prime minister in the case of the government senators, and I believe that is where the issue has arisen,” he said.

According to him, it is not an issue of the senators expressing their independence, but the manner in which it was done, and the resulting rejection which occurred without the leader of government business recognising or realising that this was the intention of the government senators, and without any word to the prime minister.



“Let me say that there are some of us in the lower house, the House of Representatives, who had our concerns also, and we did not behave in this manner,” he said. “We actually indicated, and when the bill came through for the second time before the House, a number of amendments which I consider to be important amendments had actually been made before it was reintroduced.”

He said because of this, they had some consensus going forward.

As it relates to the National Development Fund being a special fund and one separate from the Consolidated Fund, the AG offered clarification of this as well.

“The special funds are allowed not only by the constitution, but also by the Finance Administration Act,” he said. “They are in a sense part of the Consolidated Fund, but they are monies which are devoted for specific purposes and therefore not mixed with the Consolidated Fund where salaries are being paid, and from which matters like Public Works and other general government expenditures are utilized.”

The reason for this, he said, is very simple: “It’s to allow for those specific purposes to be addressed quite separately from the general Consolidated Fund."


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Why bother vote then?

#18 Wadadli Blogger » 2013-02-27 21:18

Justin Simon actually said this ... “but at the end of the day, the government senators would be expected to follow the government policy, just as the opposition senators would be following the general policy as laid down by their opposition leader or their party.”

So why should the senators vote in the senate for? Why don't they just go there and run up their mouth and leave if they are supposed to "follow government policy" ???

And how is it government policy if it didn't get aproved from the senate yet ... isn't the senate there to help create the same government policy?
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@ Beanie Man

#17 Mr Sabruski » 2013-02-27 18:33

The GG was put there by Dr Dr and the UPP, she can't go against him, she will be fired and remember, she ain't too x x x, she too does chat xxxxx when she ready.
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Justin Simon

#16 jeb » 2013-02-27 17:01

In my opinion this person, Justin Simon, now is not the same person of 10 – 15 years ago. Tim Hector said they are wolves in sheep’s clothing so perhaps the wolf part was not apparent until power came and coxxuxted. To openly and brazenly go against the wishes of the people shows no conscience or caring for democracy or one’s adopted country…Obvious ly these kind of mindsets do not belong in the free world as we know it, and to the best of my knowledge Antigua is still supposed to be part of the “for the people” and “by the people” westernized world. Perhaps it should always be remembered that what goes up also comes down…One can only hope that the people will unite soon/now before it gets even worse and get rid of this tyrannical rule of suppression that has been and will be the destruction of this country and the people.
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Transform The Constitution - Abolish The Senate

#15 John French II » 2013-02-27 14:43

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock! Civics Education on the Constitution for all Citizens is now a Must! Quote:
Ye gods, it doth amaze me A man of such a feeble temper should So get the start of the majestic world And bear the palm alone Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world Like a Colossus, and we petty men Walk under his huge legs and peep about To find ourselves dishonorable graves. Men at some time are masters of their fates. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars But in ourselves, that we are underlings. Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed That he is grown so great? Age, thou art shamed! Rome, thou hast lost the breed of noble bloods! When could they say till now, that talked of Rome, That her wide walks encompassed but one man? Let me have men about me that are fat, Sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights. Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look. He thinks too much. Such men are dangerous.
Why do we follow our oppressors aristocratic systems. What system should we as African, Arab, Portugese, Indian & Taino People have created if we had not been influenced by Buccaneers & Left to our own Agency?
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This pantomime gets wuss and wuss..

#14 Beanie Man » 2013-02-27 14:02

Fiasco is right - here we have the AG saying 'OK Boys, it's right and proper you go and have your fun discussing this here Bill, because a) I reckon you guys probably didn't read it right first time round, and b) what you say isn't going to make any difference anyway - we'll just send it up to the Governor General'. What you going to do, Mr. Simon, if the GG decides the whole racket is unconstitutiona l and, acting as the conscience of last resort, refuses to sign it? It think that's called a Constitutional Crisis, yes, perhaps solved only by a General Election? And brought about by a government trying to sell passports for $250,000 plus 'fees'...da joke ya tarl! I think I'd rather have Old Corruption back in office, at least they didn't act so holy about their undemocratic skullduggery.
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Simon Says: Jump!

#13 Calypso Eroll » 2013-02-27 11:42

Bit of advice to Justin:

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and confirm it!
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#12 tenman » 2013-02-27 10:58

Me, it really does seem that you are right. The government must have some special use for the funds other than what the PM identified. Must be tied with elections. You see just before the 2009 elections government used moneys from a special fund called stabilization fund, in order to do things like fence play grounds (special project). The moneys were mostly provided to key supporters of the government
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RE: AG Weighs in on CIP Fiasco

#11 Waste » 2013-02-27 10:46

Ok, so if I understand the AG, it is ok for the Senators to have a debate as long as at the end of the day they vote yes for whatever is placed before them. Antigua is a poor country struggling to pay its debt and its employees, yet we have money to waste on having a Senate and Senators whose only responsibility is to say 'yes'. Why not just disband the Senate since it brings nothing to the policital discussion and use the money to pay public servants. We can't find money for poor people, yet we can waste it with 'yes' men. This is insulting!
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RE: AG Weighs in on CIP Fiasco

#10 ANTIGUAN WOMAN » 2013-02-27 09:16

Who elected the PM? Who then selected the senators. It was we the people. Mr Spencer ,you need to understand it is not just your senators that do not want this,it is the majority of the people,you fired the senators whom you hand selected for going against your wishes,i can assure you we the people will fire you for going against our wishes. You are already on a losing streak,this will seal your fate.Mark my words.
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Say

#9 Me » 2013-02-27 09:01

As I said before, the 'Special Fund' WILL be used for the campaign fund!! Elections comming soon.
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RE: AG Weighs in on CIP Fiasco

#8 Morris » 2013-02-27 07:36

He said the senators, apart from the independent ones, would certainly have to represent the views of the appointee....at the end of the day, the government senators would be expected to follow the government policy, just as the opposition senators would be following the general policy as laid down by their opposition leader or their party.

It seems then that the senators are just there for show and to be rubber stamps. According to his explanation the majority will always win. If so, then why have robu st debates, why should they express disagreement if they are required to approve whatever is presented before them? That would just be a waste of time. It is this type of rigid partisanship that is really causing the country to be in the tailspin it finds itself.
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#7 BEEF » 2013-02-27 07:32

Trupz!!
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RE: AG Weighs in on CIP Fiasco

#6 island bouy » 2013-02-27 07:31

But still "Not Ready" to charge anyone in the Sir Allen fraud. Not even the second Blood Brother has been "Caught"!?!?!?
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Yes people

#5 Mr Sabruski » 2013-02-27 07:12

So, Simon, the senators are basically 'yes people' to who ever gave them their appointments ? If they don't do as they are told then they get fired and are replaced by another "yes person"? Pretty pointless having them then and therefore a waste of taxpayers money, I am assuming that they are being paid to tow their masters instructions. Do away with them and stop wasting our money on another rubber stamp.
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off my chest 2 of 2

#4 tenman » 2013-02-27 06:37

CIP Moneys uses the same as consolidated fund:
PM's 21 February 2013 address--
Quote:
In my New Year Message to the Nation, I dedicated a considerable amount of time in explaining that the Citizenship by Investment Programme will assist in driving economic growth, create meaningful jobs, generate much needed revenue to assist in maintaining and enhancing our social programme, improve our infrastructure, educate and train the population, provide decent and improved healthcare and promote healthy lifestyles through sports, recreation and the pursuit and advancement of our cultural heritage. Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/news/politics/103218-two-resigned-two-to-be-sacked.html#ixzz2M5vHGlFF
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off my chest part 1 of 2

#3 tenman » 2013-02-27 06:34

The AG's interpretation of 2 rejections needed seems correct. My problem though is how can he quote the constitution allowing senators of which government is majority, to reject a bill, then say government senators must always vote with government (never reject a bill)? He suggests its ok for there to be robust debate but political appointees must adhere to their party's dictate. The special fund argument is also off base when you consider the list of what the CIP revenue would be used for are the same things moneys from the consolidated funds are used for (see PM's most recent broadcast for purpose http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/news/politics/103218-two-resigned-two-to-be-sacked.html). With these kinds of flawed logic, I can understand why the government has so many law suits against it. In the past, I thought the bearded one, had the ability to let logic dictate but he is clearly coxxuxted by party politics.

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Solve crime, create jobs - forget selling passports

#2 Paradise fear » 2013-02-27 03:46

Wish the UPP would put as much effort if solving crime and creating jobs as they have done in implementing taxes and selling Antigua passports.

*real talk
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RE: AG Weighs in on CIP Fiasco

#1 me » 2013-02-27 03:03

howcome this man knows soooooo much but, always losing cases for Antigua? he knows it all but, knows not that he knows not.
what a xxxl
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