the us deport people for no reason now from since 911 ,there was a time when u have a green card your ok but not now if you bin arested and have a green card youcan get deported if you leave the usa and have a greencard and was arrested in the past and did your time and try to come back to the us it would b hard.its verry easy to get locked up in the usa by just beeing black ,this is very true i lived there for 15 years i know the place well ..antiguans in percentage dont get deported alot thats real talk i dont know where u all get ure info from

THE DAY I LANDED IN NEW YORK JULY OF 69 I WAS SURPRISE TO SEE OVER 20 FELLOW ANTIGUANS,WHO I THOUGHT I had LEFT BEHIND. BY THE END OF THE WEEK I FOUND OUT AT LEAST 15 WERE GANGSTERS, PIMPS,HUSTLERS SELLING TOP OF THE LINE FASHIONS AND OF COURSE EVERYONE WERE GAMBLERS;ALL DONE IN THE OPEN. BY THE EARLY 70s OVER A HALF DOZEN WERE DEAD BY THE HAND OF OTHER ANTIGUANS, THATS WHEN I REALIZE THE YOUTHS OF MY COUNTRY' ONCE OUT;(OF-ANTIGUA ) TURN INTO DESPERADOES NOW CALLED DEPORTEE'S."the re are 8million stories in new york,[68 thousand] of them are from antiguans.If their stories is writen, it would be a bestseller"and shockingly so/.(my story allready in m**cript).

Yes! They've had this info and have been sitting on it for years without actions. This is valuable information that should have been used in drafting a comprehensive and effective crime prevention plan. They should've also used the info to determine the type of equipment, training, and systems that they need to put in place to effectively fight crime. This is basic tactical analysis 101. Anyway, who am I?

Another thing, Dr. Cort claims that they've been tracking these individuals. If so, how did some of these individuals make it back to the US? I know better, so I will not allow the minister to blow smoke up my rear end.

You are absolutely right that they've manipulated the numbers, but why?

Morris, thanks for that link. After looking at it, I then looked again at the Observer report ( www.antiguaobserver.com/?p=87125). Notice how the number 20 keeps repeating?

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Twenty of that number was from the United States of America, 20 from the United Kingdom and 20 from Canada, with the remainder from other Caribbean islands. In 2011, that number was 45 with twenty persons coming from the United States of America.

Someone is making up numbers. The link you provided shows that the numbers in the Observer report are wrong

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Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock! Thanks for the Link!
Sincerely hope that CA's readers avail themselves to the link you have provided & the Excellent 10 year Data available for their mining.
This jibes beautifully with A&B's Census Gathering Data Cycle.
For this ten year period some 351 persons were deported of which 275 were for Criminal Offences. That is 78.35% of the total deportees from the US only. Those who continue to bury their heads in the sand, where "the beach is just the beginning" & "Sun, Sea & Sand make Beauty." are being so encouraged by the Politicos who have more hidden information on those persons' activities.

From the Data over the ten year period some 4128 Antiguans & Barbudans obtained legal Permanent Resident Status to the US. If all of these folks left that is some 4.7% of the population. This does not include any who gained resident status to the CAN, Caricom, EU, UK or any other country. A&B cannot sustain that emigration pattern. That is something the Xenophobes should be taking into account when ranting & raving against other nationalities resident on the Rock.
Oh Gad! Pray Wid Mi Fuh Mi Picknees!

Thanks, Morris!

Dig It, that's data tables under enforcement. Good luck!

You can use the following Department of Homeland Security link, but it only goes thru 2011 as they are still updating the 2012 data. When you get to the site, click on "data tables" and you will get the numbers by country, but not the names. Hope it helps!

http://www.dhs.gov/yearbook-immigration-statistics

JF II, I was trying to find a 'break-down' of such figures but so far 'unlucky.' If you or anyone could find it, I would appreciate it. Antigua Bill, first of all, you 'misunderstood' my post! I am not here to 'pass-judgment, ' on our deportees, as you or myself have someone or know someone who was deportee. The question of monitoring them and tracking them, should be taken to the Dr Fish, not me! And, speaking about "monitor," who is to say, as, you said "The deportees are not committing more crimes than the home grown criminals." Do you have "data" on that? Hey, let's not get our "emotions" caught up in the matter, as this is more about our willingness to have proper stats available to the people than having our deportees live a normal life.

My fellow bloggers, the figures for 2012 of those 'deported' from U.S. is just 'alarming.' According to the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency, Director, John Morton, just released in December 2012 of people deported from the Caribbean and other countries, he said
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"...while not giving any specific numbers for the Caribbean, said overall, ICE's Office of Enforcement and Removal Operations had removed 409 849 individuals from the United States...He said about 55 per cent, or 225 390 of the people removed, were convicted of felonies or misdemeanors, almost double the removal of criminals in 2008."

www.nationnews.com/articles/view/us-reveals-deportation-numbers/

awesome observation and @Antigua Bill, yes, it is a big issue that needs a lot of discussion and resolutions.

You could us a used windows 97 computer and get the info slowly but get no the less. I wonder who they telling this nonsense? Tenman can do this with his eyes closed, hands tied behind his back, sitting on his head. They can't afford a local to know how dunce they really are, but we done know and the jig is up! when some people talk I just have to turn them off or die laughing. In fact I can pull up criminal records on my cell phone

A flock of well trained RAVENS, Edgar Allan Power trained have been deported to Antigua. They can be utilized for aerial surveillance... they have one request, i.e. they have requested that VCB III be their chauffeur and only want to hear Mr. Brown by Bob Marley.....GO RAVENS!

logic and reasoning is standard. A lot of people here agree with us. You do have to admit there are some really bright people on CA. Winston Derrick use to tell me not to let no body call me fooley (RIP). I don't take people for granted. I appreciate you very much and think very highly of you.

People seldom get deported for being nice and what I wrote about is a personal experience, I don't need no data, it happened. The data is there and the process is simple. When a person is deported the country doing the deporting reports to the receiving country. The receiving country can use public information and get the file on the individual. The only reason Antigua do not have the information is because they don't want it. All you have to do is pay a small annual fee for access to the information and in some cases the info is free. WHAT IS THE EXCUSE?

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock! Morris, just read your comments. Most Poignant and Apropos!
It won't be Ghostbusters!
They will get the WB, IMF and North Atlantic NGO's to correct something which could have been managed through a Microsoft Access Database Program written by a fifth form student on a $500.00 USD PC. The Access Database has free tutorials which can be found on the Internet.
Needless to say, Tenman could have provided this service nimbly and with efficacy & efficiency. Tenman, notwithstanding the hard roadblocks, I encourage you to press on the doors. As Newton says Against Doom To Innovative Good With Your Right People & Competent Skills.
Much Respect!

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock! Skyewill, The Book Exhort: Physician Heal Thyself . Shakespeare adds Hate not the Person but the Vice. Antiguan Diasporans can attest to not only the Huge Number of Successful Compatriots but also to the Small Number of Criminals amongst us. C'est La Vie! You have skillfully pointed out the modus operandi you have seen in North Atlantic Urban areas & the similarities to criminal activities on the island. These are not only learned from media but the leadership flows from trained behaviour. A&B's MOST WANTED IS A DEPORTEE.
Tenman, This Commenter warned A&B would not see the 2011 Census Management Information untilQuote:

The Die is Cast The Deed Is Done We're taping into every last emotion I hear you call my name, I'm up in flames my soul is claimed I'm your possession - Possessed: McIntyre & Fromer.

Tenman, this writer has seen MO's which speak to Initiation Rites of C's & B's. Pay Attention to SK&N's CoP Speeches. As a Quality IT Guru you know that You can't Manage What You Don't Measure. No Police IT Plan! No Data Mining! No MIS! Dig It NGO's?
Go Well! Much Respect!

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock! This mere voice in the wilderness has been asking for the data since A&B gained Independence. Sadly the people were given a number of 62 for 2012 & 110 for the last two years with no breakdown. It is tempting to extrapolate in the absence of more data but that would be exceedingly foolish. The Hon Min of Nat. Security is no slouch hence no data. The Good Hon. Dr. PM has even raised this issue before the World at the United Nations. Why are the "Bewildered & Bemused Electorate" buring their heads in the sand "'where the beach is just the beginning." Every Caricom Head of Government rant & rave about this issue. Two OECS Governments just lost Non-VISA privileges because they were allowing their Criminals to emigrate to the North Atlantics.
Dig It, the claim lack of accurate Data is sham from beginning to end. If they don't have it - we lack the Structure, Systems & Skills - they can get it from the North Atlantic's. Why do they continue to treat the good people of this small country with such comtempt & ignorance. They may be correct since some continue to luxuriate in nostalgia & Xenophobia & blame other Nationalities.

Here is the BLUF (bottom line up front), Dr. Cort cannot provide numbers because they are tracking this the same way they are tracking the unemployment figures. If they cannot provide basic info such as the census results and unemployment figures, don't bother to hold your breath for this one ANU.

By the way, who is briefing him and how often? It is amazing that national security falls within his portfolio and he is clueless about such matters. The country is notified in advance about the numbers of deportees and flight info so half the job is already completed.

It is good to see him finally talking about a database. Imagine how much more prepared and equipped we would be if they had not squandered so much money on useless non-value projects and had invested in such a database.

At first I thought you were the same person but I met Skyewill in Atlanta and that brother is awsome. He was surounded by tons of ladies and several young men lecturing on Slavery and it economic impact on Africa. You guys need to get together you would be a team to recon with.

Do they monitor do they monitor or track criminals in Antigua after they have paid their dues to society? I simply do not understand.What would preclude one from being a public servant or hold political office? A person has not committed a crime against the state so I do not see why they should be denied the right to persue a career in any field they desire. Deny a person the right to reintegrate into society in fact is denying them the right to make a decent living and support a family.

Just because a person commit a crime that is that makes them deportable by law does not make tham career criminals. Why should they not be able to make a clean start upon returning to the land of their birth and not be stigmatized by many of you overly righteous holier than thou Antiguans. The deportees are not committing more crimes than the home grown criminals.

Research Student, there is local data which conclude that deportees are not a big part of our crime issues www.antiguaobserver.com/?p=87125

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ST JOHN’S, Antigua – Contrary to the belief emanating from some quarters, deportees do not head the list of crime perpetrators in Antigua & Barbuda. National Security Minister Dr Errol Cort said these individuals are not at the forefront of the criminal activities that “we are currently experiencing.”

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skyewill, we really need to communicate less because we are starting to think the same. What you quoted is exactly what got my attention. Truly tired of this bloviator
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Are they all Antiguan born?
It is a FACT that the Aniguan passport is used by many who acquired Antiguan citizenship to get into Canada without a visa.
The names of the deportees should be published based on the crimes they commit ... if not publicly a register and close monitoring should be maintained

Before we start blaming deportees for our woes stop and ask these questions. What % of deportees are criminals? What % of deportees have been convicted of any crime in Antigua? Can't Antiguan young men learn about US violence on TV? Cant they access this information from the Internet? Why must it be that they learn the craft from Deportees? Until the empirical evidence is provided what we are stating is just theory. Skewill you know that quite well, it is all about the data or in this case the lack thereof.

Yes, Yes and yes. The same one I am talking about have been known to carry guns. According to his mother he is a very nice boy. My first experience with Antiguan gangsters was in the 70's when a group of Antiguans gangsters engaged in a gun battle with NY state troopers. Later that group was removed by deportation and imprisonment. and some by Jamaican gangs who moved in on their turf. I am currently have access to the same persons criminal records which by the way is public information in the USA.

“Accurate data is not available at my fingertips right now, but I know for certain that we have been keeping an account of this"

Dr Cort could not give an exact number, but assure that the ministry has been tracking both the numbers and the individuals.

There was also concern about the number of deportees of other nationalities residing in Antigua & Barbuda unknown to local law enforcement.

“…That is an area of concern to law enforcement in that we would not have the mechanism to monitor these individuals, because we simply don’t know who they are,” the minister said.

One of them was deported from New Jersey for selling crack near a Jr. High School. The same one (BIG PEOPLE PICKNEE) Initials E A got police protection after stealing my things walked into CID with my T-Shirt on.

The fact of the matter is they have talks of a "watch list" for quite some time but that's just talks, as the real 'action' always get 'derailed.' Monitoring or tracking our deportees, especially, those that convicted of serious criminal offences, to make sure they don't get CAUGHT UP in criminal activities in the country is a "challenge," as they are free to roam the country 'unsupervise.'
“Accurate data is not available at my fingertips right now, but I know for certain that we have been keeping an account of this situation that would take us back up to several years in terms of deportees to Antigua from US, Canada, and elsewhere,”
Doesn't this statements reminds of us of the Minister inability to give an accurate account of "unemployment figures" in the land? After years of 'promising' us such figures, the Minister brought in the ILO. Which NGO will he bring in to provide "accurate data" of deportees? I am just "amazed!"

WAIT SO IF WE DONT KNOW WHO OUR OWN DEPORTEE DEM BE... DAT MEAN ONE TUN AH JAMAICAN AND ODDA COUNTRY DEPORTEE YAH TOO...ANNA CRAZY ARU CRAZY INNA DIS PLACE YAH.. CHUPZ!

U MEAN FU TELL ME DEPORTEE IN THE COUNTRY AND U GUYS DONT KNOW WHO DEM BE....REALLY!!! UJ GUYS SHOULD HAVE ALL THESES PPL INFO NUH WHO DEM BE WEY DEM LIB... NO WANDA THE POOR COUNTRY OUTTA CONTROL CAUSE MAYBE HALF AH DEM DEPORTEE AH THE ONE WHO AH MASH UP DE COUNTRY...WE CANT KICK DEM OUT BUT AT LEAST KEEP TABS ON THEM EVERY NOW AND DEN NA MAN...

U SAY U DONT HAVE CERTAIN TING TO KEEP TRACK BUT BCK IN THE DAYS WHA PPL DOES DO ANNA PEN AND PAPER WRITE DUNG ALL DEM INFO WHO DEM FAMILY BE JUS WRITE SOMETHING DUNG NA MAN... SO ANTIGUA HA ONE TUN AH DEPORTEE AH RUN LOOSE AND WE NA NUH WHO DEM BE RITE... WELL WELL... NAT EVEN POLICE NUH DEM TOO

With the deported, are they eligible to apply to be an officer? Are they considered to be criminals, even if they were only deported but not convicted? Can they be a public servant? Can they get into politics, hold political office?

What plans do we have in place to deal with this issue, as deportation will increase from the new laws that will be in effect soon in USA? Do we have right of refusal of some deportees?

Some of the New crimes i have seen, obviously came from the more developed countries, honestly, i have always suspected a percent of those crimes were from deportees (SOME OF THE CRIMES), the guns crimes and drive by's

I guarantee you most of these heinous crime we are now witnessing here in Antigua have the input of some of these deportees. We are not equip to handle these people. One who have the gaul to be a [bad man] in the great USA, Canada or Britain, will most likely find it much easier here in Antigua to pratice and teach his skills by recruiting or by just trying to show these already establish gangs how a real gangster do it in the big cities and we all know our police are still far behind in personel, technology, vehicles and other vital equipments. How did our young men get this heinous in such short time? 2000 in Antigua one could have walk from Brownie bakery in Point to Piggots without the fear of someone pulling a gun at him, today you walk but never know what behind the bend. FEAR Antigua and Barbuda.