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Stanford Victims Coalition Question Grant Thornton

Stanford Victims Coalition Question Grant ThorntonAntigua St John's - The fallout from the collapse of the Stanford International Bank (SIB) continues to poison the atmosphere across continents and oceans.

The former international financier now languishes in United States Federal prison following his conviction on charges of operating a US$7 billion Ponzi scheme from his Antigua-based financial institution.
 
Now, two rival liquidators face off on a global scale, both attempting to oversee the dismantling of Stanford assets worldwide in favor of victims of the disaster.
 
United States court-appointed Ralph Janvey faces off against Joint Liquidators Grant Thornton, appointed in Antigua & Barbuda by the Eastern Caribbean High Court.



Their battle to control the debris of the former Stanford Empire has taken them to court in the US and has led Grant Thornton to attempt to lobby Congress on their own behalf.
 
Caught in the middle of this titanic struggle are the thousands of victims of Allen Stanford’s schemes. The Stanford Victims Coalition (SVC), represented by spokesperson Angela Shaw, has repeatedly clashed with the Antigua & Barbuda Joint Liquidators.

SVC deeply distrusts both Grant Thornton and Antigua & Barbuda, and loses no opportunity to challenge the Joint Liquidators actions and intentions.
 
Read on for the latest in a series of email letters exchanged between SVC and Grant Thornton.

Mr. Marcus Wide and Mr. Hugh Dickson 
Antiguan Liquidators for Stanford International Bank, Ltd.

Re:  Response to the Stanford Victims Coalition’s Questions Regarding the Status of the Antiguan Liquidation Proceeding of Stanford International Bank
Dear Mr. Wide and Mr. Dickson,

While I was not given the courtesy of a direct reply to the questions I submitted on behalf of the Stanford Victims Coalition (SVC) on April 3, 2012, I was recently able to review the responses posted on your website. As the director of the SVC, as well as an individual Stanford International Bank (SIB) CD investor, I would like to provide my thoughts.

Unfortunately, your responses about the status of the Antiguan liquidation proceeding of Stanford International Bank (SIB) are far from unbiased, and your patronizing comment noting “the dubious hand of Morgenstern” in my letter is quite simply unprofessional.  Peter Morgenstern had no role whatsoever in formulating the SVC’s questions. While Mr. Morgenstern does serve along with me on the Official Investors Committee appointed by the U.S. District Court, he does not represent the SVC, and he is not involved in the SVC’s efforts.

In my opinion, the Antiguan liquidation team continues to be well versed in manipulating the truth to fit its needs. The volume of misleading, one-sided information in your response is simply astonishing, and I feel is a travesty Stanford victims do not know who they can believe and trust in the aftermath of losing their savings in fictitious Stanford International Bank CDs.

As I have previously suggested, if you would like to provide true transparency and full disclosure to the creditors of the SIB estate, your next “webinar” should be a joint effort by the Antiguan liquidators, the Official Investors Committee, and the U.S. Receiver to address the creditors together with no ulterior motives.

The parties involved in the U.S. liquidation and litigation proceedings for more than three years now have substantially more experience in this particular case than the Antiguan liquidation team, and their input is essential to allow Stanford victims to fully see the ugly truth about how their few remaining assets are being spent by the Joint Liquidators in a way that complicates and prolongs their recovery.
 
Now that Allen Stanford has been convicted in the United States and the same jury that found him guilty also approved the forfeiture of Stanford-owned accounts in the UK, Canada and Switzerland, the Antiguan liquidators are preventing the DOJ from repatriating those funds to the U.S. so they can be distributed to Stanford’s victims under U.S. law through the Receiver’s already running claims process.



Instead, the Antiguan liquidators have used $20 million “borrowed” from the UK accounts (which belong to the creditors) to pay yourselves to: 1)litigate against the DOJ for control of $330 million designated for criminal forfeiture; and 2)fight for recognition before the United States courts, where you have attempted to duplicate actions of the Receiver (which we have already paid for at least once) and other parties.

The Antiguan liquidators have aligned with a hand-picked faction of actual creditors, including Alex Fundora, a client of the liquidators’ counsel, who clearly received preferential treatment from the Antiguan courts’ “award” of almost $3 million of SIB creditors’ funds. Your team has chosen not to align with the real majority of the creditors of the Stanford estate, or heard our pleas for cooperation and conservation of the estate.

The Antiguan liquidators’ motivation has been clear in my opinion, but your recent letter to the DOJ proposing DOJ drop their litigation over the frozen criminal forfeiture accounts in the UK, Canada and Switzerland revealed once and for all the Antiguan liquidators’ real incentive—a $60 million paycheck to distribute the assets. Why would the Antiguan liquidators think it is logical for Stanford’s thousands of victims to be funding their fight with the DOJ to distribute the CRIMINAL PROCEEDS of a crime prosecuted by the United States government?

The SVC does not support having any Stanford creditors’ claims governed by Antiguan law, which was used by Allen Stanford to operate a massive Ponzi scheme while the Antiguan government has done nothing to accuse any parties of any wrongdoing. Why would any Stanford victim want their claims administered in a country known for corruption and whose government partnered with Stanford in order to steal our savings? Lest we forget Allen Stanford used stolen SIB CD money to pay for the creation of the very law that governs the Antiguan liquidation proceeding!

The Antiguan liquidators have nothing to distribute to Stanford creditors if you do not gain control over the forfeiture accounts, and your team has already spent millions of dollars belonging to Stanford creditors’ fighting the U.S. government (paid by many Stanford creditors’ tax dollars) to get control of those accounts.

That harsh reality is not exactly featured in your webinars and emails, which I believe have utilized purely for PR purposes to promote the Antiguan liquidators.

If your team would stop spending what is left of our savings to litigate against the DOJ, the $330 million could be repatriated and distributed in the very near future and under U.S. law rather than Antiguan law.

If Antigua had prosecuted Allen Stanford, the Antiguan liquidators would have had a more legitimate argument for control of Stanford’s assets. The sad reality is the Antiguan government’s first response to the “Stanford situation” as their lobbyist in Washington calls it was to take what assets were left so they had “a bargaining chip” when the Receiver came knocking.  When the U.S. government showed Antigua it would not stand for yet another illegal expropriation of property owned by U.S. citizens, Antigua then tried to wash its hands of being at the center of one of the world’s most scandalous financial crimes in history by saying Antigua was only a “transit point” in the Stanford Ponzi scheme.

Today, the Antiguan liquidators appointed by the High Court of Antigua claim that Antigua was much more than a transit point; you claim Antigua was the “center of main interest.” If Antigua was the center of Stanford’s Ponzi scheme, why hasn’t Antigua pursued any criminal allegations for the mutli-billion Ponzi scheme that occurred on their watch?

Let’s be honest, we all know Stanford International Bank was a house of cards, and that Allen Stanford was rightfully prosecuted in the U.S. the Stanford Financial Group’s real center of main interest. It is only fair and logical that all of Stanford’s assets and the litigation relating to those assets are rightfully administered by the U.S. District Court.  The Antiguan liquidators’ refusal to cooperate and defer to the U.S. Receivership in any way, shape or form has been and will continue to be a massive obstacle standing in the way of ALL Stanford victims’ recovery.

Additionally, it appears to me the Antiguan liquidators have a very clear conflict of interest in fairly representing a substantial number of the creditors they claim to represent including my own family and thousands of other Stanford Group Company (SGC) customers who stand to gain protection under the Securities Investor Protection Act.



Approximately $3.5 billion of the $7.2 billion on Stanford’s books on February 16, 2009, came from fictitious CD "transactions" that were traced to commissions paid to a registered representative of Stanford Group Company, a member of the Securities Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC). The owners of those $3.5 billion in accounts are in jeopardy of not obtaining protection by SIPC for up to $500K of their losses because of the same arguments being made by the Antiguan liquidators--that SIB was a real bank with real obligations to its customers,

The Stanford Victims Coalition strongly urges the Antiguan Joint Liquidators to: 1) drop its litigation related to the forfeiture accounts in the UK, Canada and Switzerland; 2) repay the funds that were borrowed from the UK accounts; and 3) focus on pursuing assets outside the U.S. that have not already been secured.

If that had been your approach all along, the SVC would have been 100% supportive of those efforts. Instead, your proceeding has cost us unknown millions by fighting for control of what had already been recovered, while also delaying the process of recovering through other avenues. The human toll of this international turf war is immeasurable, and it compounds every day. The bleeding of the Stanford estate must be stopped. 
 


Sincerely,

Angela Shaw  

Director and Founder 
Stanford Victims Coalition  





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Expose the cashmere cowboys

#28 Tom McCabe » 2013-04-06 14:06

I must have different Google to you lot .
Mine says ........
Winstar Telecom VS Grant Thornton Fraud $1 billion in US court

Parmalatt VS Grant Thornton Fraud $8 Billion in US court

So wheres your money if they lose ? :cry: :cry: :cry:
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RE: Stanford Victims Coalition Question Grant Thornton

#27 Victims too » 2012-08-10 20:46

Doesn't Angela Shaw get paid for being on the Official Investors Committee? Isn't this a conflict of interest if she is supposed to be representing the Stanford Victims?
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Murder or Suicide x x

#26 Tom McCabe » 2012-07-29 08:15

You really need to see the type of company you are dealing with.
xxx xxx ,it is claimed, Demanded payment for a bill for £1300 . He paid. They then,it is claimed, sent him a bill for £70,00 costs.
Peter Williams 63, ,an inventor,was known to be suffering from depression .On February 8th 2012 he stood in front of a train.His torture stopped.
RIP Peter Williams.
Google the heading
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Do the work!

#25 Reader » 2012-06-13 12:17

Everyone complaining about Mrs Shaw only being for the US victims needs to understand that it was US money and legal expertise that convicted Stanford.

Pay up or shut up!!! Everyone always ridin America's coat tails while America pays the bills.

Get a life! Better yet, try to build a respectable country!!!!!!!
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RE: Stanford Victims Coalition Question Grant Thornton

#24 GoodJobBob » 2012-06-12 17:00

Ha, check it out, Errol's back!
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Ms Shaw

#23 this is getting old » 2012-06-12 12:17

Ms Shaw,
Keep up the fight. I think you're doing great. Our family is at a loss of 8 million from this **stard. I'm confident that we'll get a few back, but in the meantime I like your ambition.. please keep it up.
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#22 GoodJobBob » 2012-06-10 18:55

The funny thing is, Ms Shaw is handing Antigua's most prized goal: evasion of responsibility, on a silver platter, and now Wide and **son are fighting it!

Ms Shaw is saying the SIPC should be responsible because SIB wasn't a "real" bank, Sir Allen wasn't a "real" Antiguan, because Antigua couldn't possibly be a "real" country.

This happened on the US's watch, to a US citizen, so it's the US's responsibility.

I'm curious why Ms Shaw hasn't been Knighted yet !!!!!
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#21 Son of the Soil » 2012-06-09 18:47

I see Ms Shaw is still trying to get SIPC cover for the Americans, but according to evidence given at the trial all the US victims were sent letters by Stanford stating they were not entitled to SIPC cover!

I guess if you have placed all your eggs in one basket you gotta keep lying and hoping somebody will listen. Shaw must be an expert liar by now with all the lies she has told about Antigua's involvement with Stanford.
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#20 Truthful Victim » 2012-06-09 18:34

If Grant Thornton distribute the frozen funds the victims will receive more than if the American receiver distributes it. The Joint Liquidators have spent less than Janvey and the US Committee. The American Receiver has additional Millions of dollars outstanding to other creditors that will have to be paid out of any distribution, whereas the outstanding debtors in Antigua is a fraction of the US so they will have more to distribute. The lawsuits taken out by the American receiver have been thrown out of court due to incompetence by the Committee lawyers that filed them. Angela Shaw and Morgenstern took out a lawsuit against Antigua for US$28 BILLION!! Despite being told repeatedly that Antigua did not have any money & any lawsuit against the country would be a complete waste of time and money. Fact, Janvey has charged hundreds of millions of $'s over the past 3 years and still has not distributed a single cent to any victims. Fact, the American committee is made up of lawyers, with a court agreement that they can take 25% of money recovered on top of their retainers, costs and contingency fees.
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#19 Just Sayin » 2012-06-09 18:33

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and your patronizing comment noting “the dubious hand of Morgenstern”
Again we see Shaw not being truthful, I have read the letter and what Grant Thornton actually say is.....

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"It is reasonably clear that this letter is not exclusively your own but that it was drafted for you in part by at least one lawyer within the OSIC"
Shot yourself in the foot there didn't you Angela, I think we can now summize Peter Morgenstern did assist you in writing the letter/

I think the term is BUSTED :lol:
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#18 San Diego Victim » 2012-06-09 18:28

Despite what Angela Shaw states in her diatribe, she does not represent the majority of Stanford Victims. She has previously clearly stated that she is only representing the Americans!!. Most victims do not trust her, do not believe her and do not support her. She has xxxed and xxxxxrmed victims while trying to gain ground in getting a pay-out from SIPC for xxxxxf and (mostly) American victims while not giving a care for the rest of the International victims. She is the one who caused a rift between the victims by being underhanded and xxxxxing. She claims to represent ALL victims - she does not and this has been proven by many petitions that have been presented to the American Committee, and the American receiver.
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#17 Island Bouy » 2012-06-09 18:20

My what a stink Antigua's Knightsoil is making !!! :D
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#16 TRUTH » 2012-06-09 14:36

Anxx xxxx modus operandi

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the Committee can shield the people from the victims, news media and legal consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the OSIC to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the OSIC.”
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#15 US Victim » 2012-06-09 14:22

To all the International victims out there I can assure you that Angela Shaw does not represent the majority of American victims, she is just more vocal and on the OSVC.

If you dare to question her actions you are immediately identified as a "trouble maker" and get removed from her mailing list which only the privileged few are allowed access.
The reality is Mrs Shaw represents no more than a few hundred victims and most of those support her out of fear of being ostracized if they don't fall in line.

Several of us became concerned over the information Angela Shaw was giving to Senators in order to back her/our case. Some of which was misinformation and some of which was just plain wrong. While she has worked for SIPC of which I would benefit I can see why International Victims would be upset,Mrs Shaw was put on that committee to represent all victims and she clearly has not done so.

I may have my doubts about Antigua law but I had the sense to make inquiries ant Grant Thornton and I firmly believe they would have done a better job in administering Stanford's estate than Mr Ralph Janvey has.
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#14 Member of SIVG » 2012-06-09 14:08

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The parties involved in the U.S. liquidation and litigation proceedings for more than three years now have substantially more experience in this particular case than the Antiguan liquidation team,
This comment alone shows the ignorance of Angela Shaw. Grant Thornton are internationally renown liquidators with a proven track record. Janvey has no experience of International receivership and his complete failure and that of the committee proves my point.

Perhaps Shaw would like to tell us what monies Janvey has gotten for victims after his "Fire Sale" of Stanford's assets in the US? We all know he has paid himself very well but what money has he got for victims NOTHING and now he wants to get his hands on the money in international bank accounts.
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#13 Member of SIVG » 2012-06-09 13:59

Perhaps Angela Shaw would like Grant Thornton to be more like the U.S. receiver and not answer ANY questions or even acknowledge letters.

Last year the SIVG sent numerous letters to the receiver and the committee putting forward questions that needed to be answered. The response was to be totally ignored not even an acknowledgement of our letters!

So PLEASE Ms Shaw you might not like the truth but at least GT had the courtesy to respond to your questions, more than your Committee or your receiver have ever done.
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#12 A Real Victim » 2012-06-09 13:52

To see the GT's response to Shaws questions checkout

http://sivg.org/resources/xdoc/GT_response_to_AngelaShaw.pdf

You can why she put out this letter, it really shows what a nasty manipulative woman Shaw really is!
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@Reality

#11 Int Victim » 2012-06-09 13:47

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Also unaddressed is why the US has explicitly stated that the IRS will not attach any money recovered
Incorrect its only Shaw who say's "she doesn't believe" the IRS will not try and take back taxes owed. the IRS have issued no such statement and is another lie propagated by Shaw.
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STANFORD CE VICTIM

#10 JTFT » 2012-06-09 12:22

What possiblities exist for recovery of our funds with all the global haggling and our expense. Is it advisable to fill out the latest Proof of Claim forms recently sent us, with the Notice of Bar Date, with a deadline of Sept. 1, 2012 with the conditions attached to same?
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#9 Reality » 2012-06-09 12:03

Also unaddressed is why the US has explicitly stated that the IRS will not attach any money recovered, yet Antigua still expects to collect all taxes,, utility bills, and any other obligations to Antiguans before one cent goes to the victims. Wide and **son have not objected to this.

What's up with that? Who are they really working for?
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#8 GoodJobBob » 2012-06-09 11:53

Looks like Errol has a bit of time on his hands this afternoon. :D
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@Not SVC

#7 Reality » 2012-06-09 11:51

Actually this is just the latest in a series of letters between Shaw and Wide & **son. Go to their (W&D) website to catch up.
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#6 Int Victim » 2012-06-09 11:47

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In my opinion, the Antiguan liquidation team continues to be well versed in manipulating the truth to fit its needs.
To be fair if anybody knows how to manipulate the truth its Shaw, she is an expert at it as we all know.

She also needs to make her mind up, is it the DoJ who is repatriating the money in which case it will take years and be almost impossible for International victims to make a claim or the US receiver who hasn't even setup a claims process?

One other point Ms Shaw you keep using the term "repatriate" as if the money belongs to American victims only when in reality the majority of victims are NOT American and its THEIR money in INTERNATIONAL accounts you are trying to repatriate to the US!
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#5 Int Victim » 2012-06-09 11:39

At least Grant Thornton give victims updates, the US receiver has failed to keep victims informed and the only money he has collected has gone on paying himself and the lawyers on the US committee.

I wonder why she keeps associating GT with the Antigua government when they are independent? Oh yeah I forgot Angela Shaw's truth is not the real truth as we have seen time and time again, I think the medical term is called mythomania.
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#4 Is She For Real! » 2012-06-09 11:32

You gotta love the way she criticizes the committee that is made up of victims who regularly have meetings with GT to express concerns when the so called "Official Stanford Victims Committee" is made up lawyers, all serving their own self interests.
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#3 Not SVC » 2012-06-09 11:27

So Ms Shaw thinks it OK to make public her questions but not for the answers to be made public.
Well I guess I would be embar**ed to if I was her now that Grant Thornton have exposed her lies and mischief making, and the fact her treachery is costing victims money.
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#2 GoodJobBob » 2012-06-09 10:58

Shaw raises an interesting point: Why did Antigua appoint receivers at all if Sir Allen never committed any crime under Antiguan law? What moral or legal legitimacy should be attached to agents of the crime's apparent co-conspirators ?
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#1 Reality » 2012-06-09 10:47

Why have Wide and **son not made public a list of all the Antiguan politicians, political organizations and parties who received money from Sir Allen the way Janvey has done in the US? (and then file suit to recover that money.)

This simple step would go a long way to show they are not simply acting on behalf, and for the benefit of, the GOAB.
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