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APUA Offers Solutions for Car Washers

Chief Health Inspector Lionel MichaelAPUA has offered to install pipes at Country Pond to allow the car washers there to use government-metred water, but this suggestion has not been met with approval.

This was one of two options placed on the table during a meeting on Thursday with Chief Health Inspector Lionel Michael, and officials from APUA and the Development Control Authority (DCA).

Water Manager Ivan Rodrigues said a postpaid tank was another possible fix as the men cope with the news that the pond they have been using to make a living is contaminated by faeces.

He explained, however, that a standpipe system would come with standard requirements.

"We understand that there are 21 workers here, and we cannot put down 21 pipes," Rodrigues said. "What we suggest is that you get together and form an association, and we install the pipes - maybe one pipe on each side on the pond where the guys operate, and go from there."

An individual car washer, he noted, could also apply for the service in his name, and allow other car washers to use the service, and collect money from them.


However, this notion of partnership was not embraced, as one man explained, "Around here, it’s each for his own. Every man mek them own bread. Them man nar do no joining up. Each man work pan them own.”

The car washers are still pushing for authorities to fix the pollution problem, as they said they don’t have the financial resources to constantly pay for water. They have also expressed concern about the security of such a pipe system. Rodrigues in turn assured them that special locks or infrastructure can be put in place to ensure the water is secure.

He explained that the pipe system should not be an expensive undertaking, if they work as a collective force. He noted that the cost would be $0.05 per gallon, and $50 per thousand gallons. If pressure washers are used, it would also be much cheaper.

"I am trying to make it easier," he said. "The water will be coming from Crabbs, just like the water that is in the pipe. It’s the same water you will get here.” The issue of water rationing was put to him, and he said if that has to be instituted, they will go on the same schedule that is applied to the St John’s area, and water will be on during school and business hours.

Michael, asked whether the tank could not be erected, said this is still being considered, but he had received reports that the tank would be damaged if it is placed in the area. He was assured otherwise.

Michael then said a tank which has been identified will hold 10,000 gallons of water, and will be installed on a temporary basis while the men broker a solution with APUA.

He urged them to do so as soon as possible, since he does want the issue to be dragged out much longer. He said the Pond would likely be closed off once the tank is installed.


The men meanwhile asked Michael to find out about whether the men working in the area could get appropriate testing in light of the lab findings. Concerns that children at the nearby school could have been affected by the pond were laid to rest, as one man who has been working there for 43 years said he has never seen those children even come near the pond, but boys from other areas do come to fish.

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#22 JILL » 2011-01-07 13:29

The whole issue is a big joke. Here the government is negotiating with some people who are illegally trading their goods and these people are fighting back.
My questions are-: 1) Who gave them permission to work at that location? 2) Are they paying taxes on all the $500 per day they earn? 3) Why doesn't the government tell them to remove from that location by a certain date or else they will be arrested?
The government must make the laws and rules which need to be complied with. Antiguans just like to do as they please.
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@car washers

#21 my way of helping » 2011-01-07 11:59

I recommend the car washers work together or else.... It is time now that they work together to achieve and put away the notion everything should be there way. You have to sacrifice for the entire and in Antigua, i know working with others is a sacrifice usually because of the jealousy and unfairness that usually occurs.

Come on guys, I am trying to better your life, it is time for you to try too
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#20 Eric » 2011-01-07 11:42

Tenman- That sarcasm went straight over my head – I am so relieved that out citizens don’t think that way –that I am happy to apologies to “only in Antigua”. I am hoping that no one else saw it the way I did.
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@ ERIC

#19 my way of helping » 2011-01-07 08:43

only in Antigua is actually being sarcastic.
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Native Son,

#18 tenman » 2011-01-07 05:26

Native Son, well said. What you described in many instances reminds me of my university days where we discussed the importance of creative destruction. Keep posting

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Carpark

#17 Texan » 2011-01-07 05:04

Why can't the government finish the car park and move the car washers there? There is already water pipes to the car park and all of the washers could rent out a few spaces to wash cars while the owners are working or shopping in town. Seems to me the car park is at least fit to store cars for the day although not completely finished. Use the revenue coming in to the car park to finish it.

Why does the government start alot of projects just to walk away before they are finished to start new projects that will not be completed?
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Eric

#16 tenman » 2011-01-07 04:21

Eric do you not know how to recognize sarcasm? Did you not pay attention to the person's pseudonym "only in Antigua"?

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Civics, Civic Engagement and Civic Pride Pt3

#15 Native Son » 2011-01-07 04:01

As a young, maturing nation, transformation of our culture and values requires a vision which involves some reengineering and restructuring. The Service Providers are presented with an excellent opportunity to redesign their business either as a cooperative endeavour or as individual entrepreneurs. As a cooperative, they should collectively approach the numerous Gasoline Service Stations and negotiate contracts to ply their trade at these locations. Captive Customers. Not only an endeavour in business development, but a necessary step in nation building and modern structures and systems. For those persons who wish to ply their trade individually, they should find appropriately zoned properties to carryout their business. Satisfied Customers. For the more entrepreneurial spirits, May I suggest that this process may prove more economic should they invest in equipment and machinery and become itinerant businesses taking the service to the customers. In a "small place" all things are possible. Seize the Time. Keep The Faith.
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Civics, Civic Engagement and Civic Pride Pt2

#14 Native Son » 2011-01-07 03:55

That the retention pond is polluted should have been no surprise to anyone given the destruction of the cesspool at the corner of Nevis Street and Independence Avenue, the lack of annual Preventive Maintenance of "East & West Pond" and the surrounding major modern developments, with huge population and sanitary loads and ancient sanitary and storm water infrastructure systems not befitting a growing and developing nation, which have been allowed to be built in its "catchments and watershed area". Where were the DCA, CBH and PWD whose Director was Chairman of the Engineering Board? Only a rhetorical question. The Health Department has without equivocation immediately put an end to the use of the polluted waters of Country Pond. Next step. Prohibit Car Washing at that location. Who develops the Zoning Regulations? Is it the DCA, CBH or PWD? Quo Vadis? What next for the Customers and the Service Providers: Provide the Cleanest and Safest Wash Money Can Buy; Provide an efficient, clean and hazard free car wash in an safe and hazard free environment for customers and the public. That should be the Strategic direction.
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Civics, Civic Engagement and Civic Pride Pt1

#13 Native Son » 2011-01-07 03:53

Every Crisis is an Opportunity for Transformation. This provides the Government, Stakeholders, Service Providers and other Publics with bringing about a significant cultural change in Car Washing. What I am proposing may cause grief in some quarters and joy to others. Let us look at this Strategically.
There is an existing culture where car washing is performed by a segment of the public at a location where in the not too distant past it was Government's intent to beautify and provide a pleasing environment to, inhabitants and visitors alike, using an ancient, yet useful retention pond designed and constructed to mitigate flooding of areas in Fibrey and Garlings. Vehicle owners of the car wash services delighted in the effectiveness, efficiency and cost notwithstanding the environmental health and safety concerns/hazard s. They remained oblivious not only to the Architectural and Engineering heritage infrastructure, the contamination of the water but also the purposes which the infrastructure served and the beautification program.
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#12 Eric » 2011-01-07 03:11

In Antigua – Just read your blog- I am still shocked – never would I have believed that that there are still people in Antigua that think like you. It is no wonder we can’t seem to make any progress in this country.
Can anyone tell me if this kind of thinking is wide spread in our community – or is this a" one" off case.
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follow the government's example

#11 only in Antigua » 2011-01-07 01:40

Why should the sacred profession of car warsher be any different that of government official. The government doesn't pay for water! But even if they were to get a bill for water they would just ignore it as they do every other bill they get.
In Antigua every thing is susposed to be free. This is why we were set free from slavery so that every thing would come to us free. Why should we pay for anything? We deserve it because we are Antiguans. Antigua me born and Me no wanta pay!
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@ ERIC

#10 my way of helping » 2011-01-07 01:36

I must say, only one man, Rasta, said he USE to make $500. I am not saying this in justifying no payment of taxes or water but I am saying this because I LOVE to consider EVERYTHING before I conclude. Howver, ERIC, a lot of the other part of your post I can agree with.

God Bless you and I love you.
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It's Cultural

#9 OUT OF ANTIGUA & Barbuda too » 2011-01-07 00:42

@Eric
I totally agree with you and would add further that given the income that many of them have make over the years, they should have moved up and on to location and growing business enterprises. Here is an oppurtunity for the Government to relocate these car washers and clean up the area around Country Pond Interestingly the other Bloviator Brother B has remained silent. It will be a year next since he promised the Land Use Plan. Soon the Car Washer will get a lawyer and claim squatters rights. Its the Culture and until a transformationa l figure appear on the horizons you'll continue on this merry-go-round and a spiral downwards. I'm out of here baby
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#8 Eric » 2011-01-07 00:02

The truth is these men just don’t want to pay for the water they use, they want to continue getting their raw material (water) without cost – it is on record reported by the men themselves that they can make $500.00 per day. They should also pay the applicable taxes like the rest of us.
I am sure the vendors in St. john‘s will soon be calling for the material they sell to be supplied free by the Government. What a good deal. I believe that the suggestion by APUA to install pipe lines at a cost is an extremely generous offer. The installation of a temporary tank in the area will be a mistake – they will never be able to change when the time comes – there will always be an excuse why the time is not right. In any event I would forcefully suggest that consideration be given to changing the venue all together – let’s identify a new area and put them there. As long as there is water in the pond there is always going to be someone who will want to use it.
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Dont they know

#7 Perplexed » 2011-01-06 23:44

What is wrong with APUA, do not they know that these individuals want free water to ply their trade? And Antiguans do not work together nor support one another nor help each other to the top? How could you ever expect these guys to come together to form an association that would help them all out.
It is such a shame that it is this way, we will never progress as a nation with that mindset or attitude. Antiguans I call on us to adopt the ways of the people we hate such as the syrians who help each other out, the dominicans who are community minded.
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Demanding but not willing to compromise

#6 Texan » 2011-01-06 23:32

So the car washers are demanding government action but are not willing to meet them halfway. What a joke.

They can't afford 5 cents a gallon? 40 bucks a wash and they won't spend a quarter for the water? WOW.......
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#5 True Antiguan » 2011-01-06 22:56

Oh No. Please not an APUA solution. I cant take them having to dig a trench across the road to run pipe then it is left for months for motorists to navigate around. We have enough of those road horrors while driving country side. Spare the town of this insult and neglect.
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safety first

#4 tenman » 2011-01-06 22:43

I am not comforted by the statement "Concerns that children at the nearby school could have been affected by the pond were laid to rest, as one man who has been working there for 43 years said he has never seen those children even come near the pond, but boys from other areas do come to fish." test the men and if as I suspect problems are found then also start testing the children at the nearby school.
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What?

#3 Morris » 2011-01-06 22:28

What? I can't wait to hear the rest of this story. I have said all along that the carwashers wanted to have it their way and their way only. The gentleman was right, their problem is they do not know how to work as a team to achieve a common objective. They are rejecting the most viable solutions simply because they do not want to pay for anything, they expect to get everything for free.

They should have formed an association and open the APUA account in its name as a living entity, and split the cost among themselves. Then whenever someone leaves or enter the association just make adjustments accordingly.

C an't wait to hear my way of helping now that the carwashers want to bite the hand that is helping.
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#2 Hmmmm » 2011-01-06 22:20

Seems like the car washers wants it all their way..... continue to make money without expending anything. While charging $40 per car and $60 for SUV's I think they can afford to buy clean water. Then again what will happen during the summer if a drought is being experienced???
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Observer

#1 Jim » 2011-01-06 22:06

is car washing a career...these people should find better employment
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