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**marco polo** » 2012-04-22 20:09

Tenman - I am never surprised when politicians act like politicians (see the fable of the scorpion and the toad) - I remain hopeful, however, that non-politicians will not act in a reflexive manner similar to politicians. I remain hopeful....

**The Town Crier** » 2012-04-22 19:30

Hear Ye! Hear Ye! Thanks to the Good Hon Dr PM. Thanks to Tenman for bringing the genesis and background information to the public, electorate and A and B shareholders. Thanks to Makeda for showing what the shares of the GoAB will be LAND. Where is the A and B monied Class. Another Buccaneer has entered and the intellectuals, traders, merchants, landowners and other assorted Privateers from A and B are MIA.
Has anyone heard from the other SIDS of the OECS? Does anyone remember that the MSJMC is a expected to be a teaching hospital? Where is UWI. In this equation?
Once again another major development in what may termed as one of the Nations top priorities and nary a discussion with the electorate. How do you build a Nation, with external Buccaneers and Privateers with no imput from the Governed. The governors or GoAb is not the Nation.
Where is the Business Plan? Friends, the Equity ratios are all wrong for you to see a Business Plan and this should clearly show that this is not a socially inclined Government. they have swallowed the IMF doctrine, hook line and
sinker. Let us pray for All of our Health Care Insitutions, Providers and those in NEED.

**Antiguan Woman** » 2012-04-21 22:23

Will a poor man be turned back and left for dead if he cannot find the Money for his treatment? I would hope not,that been the case,keep the money and do something else with it,because the rich man can keep going abroad for his treatment,as good as it sounds,i dont feel the poor man getting anything from it,i think it will be like anything else,bring your money and come or else.I have no faith/hope in this Govt.

**tenman** » 2012-04-21 21:36

browngal thanks. marco polo, I have family members who have cancer with one a few years ago succumbing to it. in the very beginning of my post to the article, before saying anything else, I stated this was something good. My issue was never whether this was a good thing but who should receive credit for the concept. Perhaps unlike you, I tire of politicians who quickly take credit for good things but are quick to disavow involvement when things go bad (eg the economy). I simply do not like when politicians mislead and if you check my past comments to other similar articles, I have tried to call them out regardless of political color. The UPP will get more hits because they are the government and by that fact, more in the spot light (in the proverbial kitchen). Sorry if that hurts mostly their supporters of which you may not be one.

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**Mahela** » 2012-04-21 20:31

Well, Antiguans really have convenient amnesia. Who owns the land? All yuh forget that Lester allegedly paid the Michael family about $9 million for the same land? You didn;t read about it in the Outlet newspaper all those years ago?

**browngal** » 2012-04-21 20:07

Godfather, I dont care what senior citizen you are back off of tenman and the chef. These guys will chew you up and spit you out. By the way, you are never to old to learn and maybe you need to shut up and learn something. I am in the thirty 35 to 40 age range and I learn something from these guys everyday.

**marco polo** » 2012-04-21 20:03

The amount of energy spent on semantics. "Brainchild" or not... who really gives a rat's rump? This is a good development unless you are a committed luddite.

**SlyThatGuy** » 2012-04-21 19:44

A cancer center, a place for treatment , is a good thing for the region. But I think that if minister Edmond Mansoor and prime minister Baldwin Spencer were to focus on the cell phone towers erected all over the Island,they'd be taking a very important step towards decreasing the risk of getting the disease. Don't you believe that exposure to radiation in the environment generated by these towers is a risk factor? I mean, who knows whether or not some of us have already developed cancer cells from being exposed.So I beg Mr.Mansoor and Mr.Spencer to release the complete report on the cell towers. Our desire to work and live in a safe environment can no longer be ignored.

**Microwave Chef** » 2012-04-21 18:41

thanks for that info, Chef can almost tell you for sure that if Belmont or Adeline is given the same consideration and support as this new outfit radiation therapy would have already been in place, and no chef has no shares in Belmont or Adeline it was just used as a good example considering that they ( Belmont more so) already deal with all type of radiation based equipment, almost sure MSA , NSA and other would consider it if incentives like given to foreigners where in place.note Chef does not even mention MSJ they need to get passed basic medicine and healthcare before they even should consider doing anything else ..
But hey why take my suggestion on radiation-thera py do not forget the fact that I am just a Microwave Chef

**tenman** » 2012-04-21 18:24

Microwave Chef the only thing that's currently missing on island, as things stand now, is radiation treatment. Mount St. John currently provides chemotherapy and so also does some of the places you mentioned.

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**Microwave Chef** » 2012-04-21 17:40

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and don't believe for a second that most of these medical centers listed above are very capable of providing care for cancer patients, as a matter of fact some of them already do so.

it should read "and don't believe for a second that most of these medical centers listed above are not very capable of providing care for cancer patients, as a matter of fact some of them already do so.
sorry about that ,Chef :oops:

**Microwave Chef** » 2012-04-21 17:24

Adeline medical center
Belmont medical surgical diagnostic center
MSA medical surgical associates
NSA medical surgical rehabilitation center
Winter medical center
Wood urgent care center
orthopedic medical associates woods
Forgive chef if he has forgotten a few chef is sure there are more
Here are just a few local medical centers who could surely need some government help like this outsider is getting and don't believe for a second that most of these medical centers listed above are very capable of providing care for cancer patients, as a matter of fact some of them already do so.
Why does PM BS not suggest the same privileges for all these local medical centers who all offer services that MBS should cover but claims it can't afford. no duty free concessions or tax holidays for local medical entrepreneurs? just more taxes. yet here we go with an diamond neck-less for a great white elephant on the hill .
Well done PM BS now you can kiss the support of the local medical community goodby for sure.

**tenman** » 2012-04-21 16:18

We now have a privateer, smart enough to recognize a dire need and getting government to grant him a monopoly via the promises of minority shares for regional governments. Guarantee me a monopoly and I will afford you shares. Isn't this similar to what was done with Cable & Wireless? Who will ensure that the proper prices are charged for this service? It must be ensured that persons have a choice when it comes to this service. The government should not be allowed to create yet another private monopoly which provides an essential service. These arrangements have been used to enrich the political elite

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**The Godfather** » 2012-04-21 16:13

I am listening to Observer Radio, and Serpent's comment on the butchering of animals for sale by perpetrators of larceny. What to do?

From the abatoir to the supermarket there should be traceability of the product, so a system needs to be in place to ensure this becomes law. This should basically be for all products, particularly foodstuff products.

**The Godfather** » 2012-04-21 15:55

Tenman being my junior will not save you, if you enter the political circus you elect who you want to be. I see you as a clownish idiot, I see myself as the most viscious in this circus, so there is no escape. You attacked the Godfather, so I am not going to be anyones lamb, so always be prepared.

Many times you have called the Godfather all aliases in the book and I am never offended, so you should not if I call you a political idiot. You will take a well intentioned argument and twist it to suit your political agenda...so sad!

**tenman** » 2012-04-21 14:52

The Godfather aka (Grey Ghost, Sisah, Bihah etc), it would be good if you could argue the message instead of attacking the messenger. In the past you have hinted that you are in the senior citizen category (claimed you used to play with LB as a child) and consider yourself highly knowledgeable in political affairs (yet to see any evidence of this). It then makes me wonder why some one your age would wish to pick a fight with me your junior?
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Definition of BRAINCHILD : a product of one's creative effort Websters

Help me understand logically what creative efforts by MP Spencer helped the The Cancer Centre Eastern Caribbean to become his creation? How is it that its his brain child, according to the release, yet the government will only have 10% equity in this company, via Mount St. John? Further equity would have to be purchased (max of 30%). Are you suggesting that MP Spencer is a silent partner in, Global Health Partners Limited, a basically commercial enterprise? The brain child of this is clearly Dr. Brown and perhaps if he was a UPP minister or prominent party member, you would give him the kudos he deserves.

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**Microwave Chef** » 2012-04-21 14:28

Chemo therapy for 12 months ( like the treatment for breast cancer after surgery will run about $100.000 at current and that's the non profit model so )
most of us who pay MBS and can not afford any other health insurance what do we do find $50.000 at least?
nope this is a for profit clinic and there is nothing wrong with that concept however what and where do we the people benefit from a for profit organization in government health?
nope Chef needs much more details, but it is getting clearer what this is all about. a Health based for profit company with the government as a partner and MBS providing all the funding because who will buy share in something that is not profit based at best.??? and don't forget your 50.000 minimum for chemotherapy. this is begin to smell 7 days old fish and it is not fresh...

**The Godfather** » 2012-04-21 13:19

Tennam & MC I suggest you occupy your mind with more sensible thoughts, rather than searching for political faults tovsatisy your own selfish egos. Everything is always political with Tenman ignorant arguments to MC senseless, and narrow minded view. This project is beyond politics, this I about health for the community.

Tenman truth be told, I haven't read the barrage of endless quote highlighted, so do Caribarena a favor and stop your endless long winded quoted. Enough is nuff!

**tenman** » 2012-04-21 12:54

Microwave Chef my understanding from the article i mentioned before is that MBS will pay 50%. This then means if the patient has no private health insurance or some other sources of moneys, they will have to spend a great deal of moneys (in the thousands of dollars), out of pocket, making up the difference. This again is another argument for why we need a proper national heath insurance system.

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Core benefits for countries and territories that opt in are guaranteed access to discounts for government patients and self-paying individuals, the payment of dividends as return on investment and the opportunity to venture in the niche market of medical tourism. The discounts have not been fixed but the idea is for insured patients to pay the full price of treatment, a 25 per cent discount for self-paying individuals and 50 per cent discount for persons under government schemes. Governments that cannot front their investment are being offered a deal where they pay 75 per cent of the patient's care. Fifty per cent would be the discount and the other 25 per cent would be payment towards their investment.

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**tenman** » 2012-04-21 12:11

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In addition to the state of the art healthcare model, Dr Brown said a key element for the Antigua and Barbuda Prime Minister was the partnered care model utilised in the Bahamas. This allows governments to take 30 per cent of shares, while 10 per cent is available to private investors, while Global Health Partners Limited, headed by Dr Brown and Dr Porter, retains 60 per cent and will be the professional owners of the CCEC. The 30 per cent as split has 10 per cent for Antigua through Mount St John's and the other 20 per cent can be purchased by the other eight governments.

Obtained from n article by Megan Reynolds from Dec 29, 2009 in the Bahamas tribune

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**tenman** » 2012-04-21 12:05

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Dr Brown said: "We are very proud. We think it's very flattering when we have established a model and the model is seen and appreciated by others as a mechanism for ensuring access to state of the art healthcare by all. "The government of Antigua has offered the land for the cancer centre at the front of their main hospital in Mount St John's, it's a beautiful site." A feasibility study of the $10 million project is being done by PriceWaterhouseCoopers, commissioned by Global Health Partners Ltd, and Dr Brown expects it will be completed in January or February. Architectural plans will then be completed and the bidding process will begin so construction can start in June and the new centre will be completed and ready to take its first patients in the first quarter of 2011. The OECS includes Antigua and Barbuda, Commonwealth of Dominica, Grenada, Montserrat, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia and St Vincent and the Grenadines. Anguilla and the British Virgin Islands are associate members of the OECS.

Obtained from An article by Megan Reynolds from Dec 29, 2009 in the Bahamas tribune
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**tenman** » 2012-04-21 12:03

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Core benefits for countries and territories that opt in are guaranteed access to discounts for government patients and self-paying individuals, the payment of dividends as return on investment and the opportunity to venture in the niche market of medical tourism. The discounts have not been fixed but the idea is for insured patients to pay the full price of treatment, a 25 per cent discount for self-paying individuals and 50 per cent discount for persons under government schemes. Governments that cannot front their investment are being offered a deal where they pay 75 per cent of the patient's care. Fifty per cent would be the discount and the other 25 per cent would be payment towards their investment. Staffing is still under review, but initial estimates are for two medical oncologists, two radiation oncologists and one paediatric oncologist. Nurses and technicians will also be needed for the facility. Dr Brown expects the CCEC will receive the same ACRO accreditation as Dr Porter will take on the challenge of staffing and managing the facility.

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**Microwave Chef** » 2012-04-21 11:41

who does the property belong to?
A new medical company like MSJMC American hospital corporation?? that runs MSJ? who are the owners of that company? and who are the beneficiaries? Before I agree this is as good as it appears there are yet again many little things we need to know first and is the current level of service and standards that we see at MSJMC is what is to be expected than chef says forget about it and fast..
last Who is paying for all this??? really who is where the money come from???? and Chef hates to say it but PM BS should focus first on finishing some of the foolishness he started like the parking garage to name just one, there are many.

**Microwave Chef** » 2012-04-21 11:40

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The project is beneficial to Quote:
According to Prime Minister Spencer, the Cancer Centre Eastern Caribbean will provide high quality medical, radiation, and surgical oncology services, markedly discounted for government-supported patients.
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really Jessica ?
explain this line here and lets talk .
who is paying for this ? how will it be funded? what does government supported patients mean? does it mean not medical benefits contributes will benefit ? what about those antiguans who do not qualify for those benefits like many single unemployed mothers???

**marco polo** » 2012-04-21 11:37

When something progressive happens, say "yeah!" and move on....Not everything has to be an opportunity to complain about something (else).

**Jessica** » 2012-04-21 11:22

The response indicates peoples level of thinking, lacking humanity and filled with evil intentions. The project is beneficial to all, so why should partisan politics be a feature of your argument. Where education is lacking, ignorance persist.

**The Godfather** » 2012-04-21 11:16

Tenman, had PM Baldwin Spencer not asked, the project would never be a reality, so credit PM Spencer vision, and give him the credit he deserves.Stop playing politics with peoples health!

**Just Sayin** » 2012-04-21 09:39

I wonder if the government owns this land...or is this another case of building on land you do not own and ignore court orders like the airport fiasco!

Hey Spencer When are you going to tell the truth about the old Chinese generators?

**justin** » 2012-04-21 09:28

WE cannot even run the Mt St Johns hospital! Lack of supplies and a complete lack of responsible organisation and we are opening another facility!

**tenman** » 2012-04-21 08:41

This is a needed and good thing and has been long on being implemented. Hopefully it will not have a similar progress as the Cedar Grove health clinic, which has seen no work since the ground breaking ceremony in early October 2011. How in world though could it be the brain child of PM Spencer? An article by Megan Reynolds from Dec 29, 2009 in the Bahamas tribune, stated that after being presented with the model which exists in the Bahamas, Mr. Spencer then asked Dr. Brown to design something similar for Antigua. How does this make MP Spencer the brain child, seems to me that should go to Dr Brown.

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A CANCER clinic modelled on existing healthcare facilities for Bahamians will be built in Antigua for 600,000 residents of the Eastern Caribbean. The Cancer Centre Eastern Caribbean (CCEC) will be developed for the Organisation of Eastern Caribbean States (OECS) by Dr Conville Brown, of Global Health Partners Ltd, based on the model of the Medical Pavillion Bahamas and cancer center

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